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Old 12-16-2014, 09:36 PM
 
Location: Middletown, CT
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Why are you mad at them when 52% of the voters voted in a favor of repealing this? Clearly the people have spoken. I understand you disagree but if they supported this law, then I am sure you would want people to respect the law. You can't be upset at people for having certain views especially when it appears that you are in the minority.
So if 52% of voters supported repealing the civil rights act, it'd be okay? You're cool with the tyranny of the majority?
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Old 12-17-2014, 05:04 AM
 
Location: Richland, Washington
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Why are you mad at them when 52% of the voters voted in a favor of repealing this? Clearly the people have spoken. I understand you disagree but if they supported this law, then I am sure you would want people to respect the law. You can't be upset at people for having certain views especially when it appears that you are in the minority.
This assumes that the fact the majority does something, that automatically right. This is false, however. The majority of Americans used to think that it was good to curb the rights of blacks, The fact that the majority voted and advocated for the discrimination of blacks didn't make it okay.
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Old 12-17-2014, 05:58 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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Indeed, like relative morality, the Law is the best we got. Who gets to decide what is right and good law? We have to trust those who study these matters and deliberate on them.

Public opinion does force change. Sometimes in a way that worries me. After all, politicians can't afford to alienate public opinion too much. It is far from a perfect system - indeed Churchill said: "Oh yes."

No, he said "Democracy is the worst political system - apart from all the others." That includes being led by popular prejudices and even worse, prejudices based on Holy books.
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Old 12-17-2014, 07:56 AM
 
Location: DMV
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So if 52% of voters supported repealing the civil rights act, it'd be okay? You're cool with the tyranny of the majority?

Let's say this very clearly, THIS IS NOT THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT. Stop comparing it. It's insulting.

And I am referring to the fact that the OP is made at the Duggars but clearly the voters sided with them too. I am not saying that she has to agree with it, but she is acting as though they are some weird family that shares some unique view that most do not.
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Old 12-17-2014, 08:06 AM
 
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This assumes that the fact the majority does something, that automatically right. This is false, however. The majority of Americans used to think that it was good to curb the rights of blacks, The fact that the majority voted and advocated for the discrimination of blacks didn't make it okay.
No it doesn't, it's called stop being a hypocrite. If they had supported a ban of "LGBT Discrimination" than the first thing that would have been thrown out, and has at many times on this website, is this is what the people want. Or people are "evolving" and you just have to accept it. Now the opposite happens and now people can't take it.

I am not even arguing the OP's views, I am arguing the fact that people only seem to have an issue with the process when they don't go the way they want them to.
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Old 12-17-2014, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Let's say this very clearly, THIS IS NOT THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT. Stop comparing it. It's insulting.

And I am referring to the fact that the OP is made at the Duggars but clearly the voters sided with them too. I am not saying that she has to agree with it, but she is acting as though they are some weird family that shares some unique view that most do not.
So they possibly influenced some with borderline bigotted opinions and got a majority of that opinion to oppress people for no valid social reason. Fortunately this won't last any more than such historic movements have in the recent past like the racial equality movement that is still having it's difficulties.
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Old 12-17-2014, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Camberville
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Let's say this very clearly, THIS IS NOT THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT. Stop comparing it. It's insulting.

And I am referring to the fact that the OP is made at the Duggars but clearly the voters sided with them too. I am not saying that she has to agree with it, but she is acting as though they are some weird family that shares some unique view that most do not.
What about fighting legalized, institutionalized discrimination against a person due to their inherent traits is not like the Civil Rights Movement?
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Old 12-17-2014, 12:10 PM
 
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What about fighting legalized, institutionalized discrimination against a person due to their inherent traits is not like the Civil Rights Movement?
What legalized, institutionalized discrimination are you referring to?
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Old 12-17-2014, 12:41 PM
 
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What about fighting legalized, institutionalized discrimination against a person due to their inherent traits is not like the Civil Rights Movement?
Inherent traits? Oh please, like you can look at someone and tell that they are gay. I guarantee you, if you saw me, you won't have to ask me if I'm black. There's the difference.
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Old 12-17-2014, 12:54 PM
 
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So they possibly influenced some with borderline bigotted opinions and got a majority of that opinion to oppress people for no valid social reason. Fortunately this won't last any more than such historic movements have in the recent past like the racial equality movement that is still having it's difficulties.
You and others are misleading the purpose here. Let's start with some basic facts

1. This bill is not just about sexual orientation, so why is it being labeled that way? No mention of race, religion or gender, which by the way were also part of the bill.
2. Repealing this bill does not mean the LGBT community will be discriminated against. That is a logical leap.
3. The people who are allegedly being 'oppressed' in this case can still do all the same things that they could do before, but if they consider themselves another gender besides the one they were born with then they will not be recognized by that 'new' gender.

And to that last point, as a father, I would not want my daughters subjected to the idea that a man could claim to have a sex change and he be able to use the same bathrooms as they can and I would not be able in any way to protect them. To me this is common sense, no one is stopping you from living your life the way you want to but you still have to abide by the fact that you were born a certain gender. That is why the majority of the people who voted saw through the media's attempt to mislead the public.
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