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What's ironic is that gay people seem to be arguing for a "separate but equal" form of marriage. It's not Christians that gave them their own special form of marriage. They are the ones that said "No....we don't like marriage as it currently exists for everyone---we want our OWN type of marriage."
Yay for you, gay America. You have successfully gotten segregation for yourselves.
They didn't advertise that, nor claim it. They said they had not exhausted their appeals and they would continue to fight. So they were slapped with the fine.
The 1st Amendment states that there shall be no law infringing the free practice of our religion. You can spin that anyway you want, but it says what it says.
It was a judgement not a fine. And it appears to me that I am not the one who reads only info from one side.
Their local TV station claims that the Klein were not penalized for speaking on the issue on Christian radio and television. The so called gag order is an order to not discriminate in the future to customers including in their advertising and according to an official is standard language in the Bureau ' s judgements. So you tell me to read sources other than salon but you seem not to have read the judgement and appear to be taking your points from sites that are spinning the story. Don't need to take my word for it, read the judgement. Anything else is just someone else expressing their view. The dollars awarded are for damages not for vowing to fight against same sex marriage or religious freedom. I do not understand why you keep repeating things that can be easily checked out and found to be false.
What's ironic is that gay people seem to be arguing for a "separate but equal" form of marriage. It's not Christians that gave them their own special form of marriage. They are the ones that said "No....we don't like marriage as it currently exists for everyone---we want our OWN type of marriage."
Yay for you, gay America. You have successfully gotten segregation for yourselves.
No, they wanted equality -- the right to marry and all of the benefits associated with it (taxes, death benefits, social security, healthcare etc).
What's ironic is that gay people seem to be arguing for a "separate but equal" form of marriage. It's not Christians that gave them their own special form of marriage. They are the ones that said "No....we don't like marriage as it currently exists for everyone---we want our OWN type of marriage."
Yay for you, gay America. You have successfully gotten segregation for yourselves.
That makes no sense. Plus that is the way it happened in all the other countries that approved SSM. You are allowed to marry the consenting adult that you love. Not a special marriage, it will be the same certificate that you would get marrying someone of the opposite sex. You lose credibility by always adding more objections to try to divide homosexuals from the rest of us.
That makes no sense. Plus that is the way it happened in all the other countries that approved SSM. You are allowed to marry the consenting adult that you love. Not a special marriage, it will be the same certificate that you would get marrying someone of the opposite sex. You lose credibility by always adding more objections to try to divide homosexuals from the rest of us.
There has never been any discrimination based on sexual preferences. Gay people didn't want traditional marriage though--they wanted their own form of marriage. Well....now they have it. They are officially segregated. They have their own "separate but equal". Yay for them.
What's ironic is that gay people seem to be arguing for a "separate but equal" form of marriage. It's not Christians that gave them their own special form of marriage. They are the ones that said "No....we don't like marriage as it currently exists for everyone---we want our OWN type of marriage."
Yay for you, gay America. You have successfully gotten segregation for yourselves.
Seriously Viz? If this argument is true, then interracial marriages are also a "special form of marriage" instituted by the court as a result of Loving V Virginia. The fact is that there is no legal distinction between gay marriage and straight marriage at this point, it is simply legal marriage.
You and your religion may choose to make a religious distinction between gay marriage and straight marriage, just like Catholics and Mormons make distinctions between marriages inside their respective faiths and those on the outside, but this nonsense about a "separate but equal" form of marriage is just silly. How can they be separate, if they are legally identical? Other "separate", but legally identical marriages include marriages between short people, inter-eye color marriages, marriages between people who happen to have the same last name prior to marriage, and so on. All these marriages are different from other people's marriages, yet legally they are the same. The only difference is you don't have a vested interest in dehmanizing, belittling and demeaning "left-handed marriage" or "same-profession marriage", only same gender ones...
There has never been any discrimination based on sexual preferences. Gay people didn't want traditional marriage though--they wanted their own form of marriage. Well....now they have it. They are officially segregated. They have their own "separate but equal". Yay for them.
The courts didn't buy this argument in Loving v Virginia and no one is buying it now. It is telling, though, that you continue to recycle racist rhetoric in service of your attempts to excuse your support for discrimination as "fair"...
Seriously Viz? If this argument is true, then interracial marriages are also a "special form of marriage" instituted by the court as a result of Loving V Virginia. The fact is that there is no legal distinction between gay marriage and straight marriage at this point, it is simply legal marriage.
You and your religion may choose to make a religious distinction between gay marriage and straight marriage, just like Catholics and Mormons make distinctions between marriages inside their respective faiths and those on the outside, but this nonsense about a "separate but equal" form of marriage is just silly. How can they be separate, if they are legally identical? Other "separate", but legally identical marriages include marriages between short people, inter-eye color marriages, marriages between people who happen to have the same last name prior to marriage, and so on. All these marriages are different from other people's marriages, yet legally they are the same. The only difference is you don't have a vested interest in dehmanizing, belittling and demeaning "left-handed marriage" or "same-profession marriage", only same gender ones...
-NoCapo
Prejudice: white, straight, male, supremacy, etc. Whatever you want to call it.
History repeats itself (women's rights, racial rights, etc)
By that logic one should be able to say, "We don't do Christian weddings", "We don't provide interracial housing", "We don't do Black political events." Is that really what you mean?
-NoCapo
None of your examples involve revolve rewriting a long held traditional religious belief by the majority. Typical response. Always have to compare it to something extreme and unrealistic.
The courts didn't buy this argument in Loving v Virginia and no one is buying it now. It is telling, though, that you continue to recycle racist rhetoric in service of your attempts to excuse your support for discrimination as "fair"...
-NoCapo
The courts were wrong for not "buying it". The fact remains that we don't grant a new form of marriage for ANY other reason but than for sexual choices among self-identified homosexuals. Straight people, or ANY other class of people are not guaranteed the right to marry for love, nor has love historically been the only reason for marriage until recently. Even today, I know people that are very happy in arranged marriages.
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