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Humanist morality - Hellfire?
I struggle to even think how humans could come up with this idea of suffering.
It is in the bible, but my take is it surely must be a last resort, and not for the masses.
Fire in revelation = destruction. The lake of fire = destroyed eternally.
Jesus is the one who will judge those to the lake of fire. Or to life everlasting in Gods kingdom.
The Jehovah's Witnesses have closed that door many times by predicting the end of the world.
They have preached that other religions do not know their bible, and they used the scripture, This means everlasting life, taking in knowledge. and so you have changed this to mean that everyone must know the bible inside and out, yet even the Jehovah's Witnesses only know the bible as presented in the Watchtower. Other translations of this scripture says:
"This means everlasting life,+ their coming to know you,* the only true God,+ and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ."
Of course I don't believe that we have to take in any knowledge, as I believe that we all have immortality, that, were created that way.
You can't really know what Jesus taught or even if he ever existed. His message isn't new, it was taught by Buddha before that, and Buddha learned from other Buddhists and from the Hindu teachings. But what is more, much of what is written in the New Testaments was said of other Christs. It is an old story.
You listen to twisted words. The teachings of Jesus prove the JW teachers are correct. Those who not obey him are making the wrong choice. God set before all mankind-Deuteronomy 30:19-- Life or death--both will be everlasting.
That is the official Roman Catholic position. They believe they are the only true church and the rest of us are not "completed" or "true" or whatever it is that they say Christians. Does that bother you?
Yes, I'm aware of that. I am still not understanding the need to point that out to me. I was never Catholic, but I had Catholic friends growing up whose parents wouldn't let them come to my Sunday School or youth group with me. I have known Baptists who believe the same thing--they are the only true church and the only ones going to heaven. I knew old Dutch people growing up, some in the Reformed Church of America, some in the Christian Reformed Church--for which the difference in doctrine between the two escapes most people--who believed that THEIR church was the only "right" one and that they were the only ones going to Heaven.
It's one of the reasons I attend a church that DOESN'T claim to be the only "right" church. Or religion, for that matter.
No, it doesn't bother me personally beyond the wish that people would put aside their spiritual differences and concentrate on our commonalities, which I've been yammering on about for almost 16 years now.
No, it doesn't bother me personally beyond the wish that people would put aside their spiritual differences and concentrate on our commonalities, which I've been yammering on about for almost 16 years now.
Yes, I'm aware of that. I am still not understanding the need to point that out to me. I was never Catholic, but I had Catholic friends growing up whose parents wouldn't let them come to my Sunday School or youth group with me. I have known Baptists who believe the same thing--they are the only true church and the only ones going to heaven. I knew old Dutch people growing up, some in the Reformed Church of America, some in the Christian Reformed Church--for which the difference in doctrine between the two escapes most people--who believed that THEIR church was the only "right" one and that they were the only ones going to Heaven.
It's one of the reasons I attend a church that DOESN'T claim to be the only "right" church. Or religion, for that matter.
No, it doesn't bother me personally beyond the wish that people would put aside their spiritual differences and concentrate on our commonalities, which I've been yammering on about for almost 16 years now.
As I said--that was not a command to all Christians to take a vow of poverty
and sell their belongings. It just isn't.
But it was an excellent indicator of the condition of that man's righteousness.
Not many people get that! That was very astute of you!
Yes, I'm aware of that. I am still not understanding the need to point that out to me. I was never Catholic, but I had Catholic friends growing up whose parents wouldn't let them come to my Sunday School or youth group with me. I have known Baptists who believe the same thing--they are the only true church and the only ones going to heaven. I knew old Dutch people growing up, some in the Reformed Church of America, some in the Christian Reformed Church--for which the difference in doctrine between the two escapes most people--who believed that THEIR church was the only "right" one and that they were the only ones going to Heaven.
It's one of the reasons I attend a church that DOESN'T claim to be the only "right" church. Or religion, for that matter.
No, it doesn't bother me personally beyond the wish that people would put aside their spiritual differences and concentrate on our commonalities, which I've been yammering on about for almost 16 years now.
Well stated. I believe I'm in agreement with you on most of that. Yes, there are differences in theology, and theology does matter, but by and large, denominations are largely becoming irrelevant today in many churches.
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