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Should I really expect a website called "businessreader" to provide expert commentary on the Bible?
I watched the video, and was just not impressed. Honestly...it's a rather amateurish attack on Christianity...providing arguments that have been dealt with many many years ago. Do some research, cupper. You're brighter than this.
It is an unworthy ploy to attack a simple but valid claim made by some layperson or popular medium. You say that these claims are false
(1) because it appears is a Business journal
(2) because they have been 'dealt with' many years ago. Yes, we have seen that before. Objection to the bible have been 'dealt with' by explanation that themselves have been 'dealt with' - but apologists just keep repeating the claim that it has all been explained long ago and suggest that we go and research.
What should happen is for you to do what Eusebius did - pick up some of the claims and refute them. Though in fact he didn't. He merely pointed out some of the earliest Christian Bibles. Dated a couple of centuries after the events they describe. He speculates about the method of transmitting information in the 11st c, when the internal evidence of the gospels make it clear that it didn't happen that way. I liked the crafty reference to Marcion collecting together a selection of christian writings, for the purpose of editing out anything he didn't like - like any reference to Judaic practices. It was to counter this that the church..whatever that was at the time...put together its own collection and denounced Marcion as heretical.
No, the questions are far from 'dealt with many many years ago".
How can you be so sure that God was the one influencing the authors? Couldn't Satan have been just as capable of fooling themy into writing and following his agenda?
Perhaps we could get God to spare a moment of his infinite time to clarify and make sure we didn't get it wrong?
Like maybe all those times where it literally said homosexuals goto hell, when prior to KJV, the term homosexuals did not even exist?
Are you suggesting that Satan is cleverer than God? That could be considered quite possible, after all, are it not the Christians (mostly the fundamentalists) who are doing the most damage to mankind (in the west anyway)? Other fundamentalists hold the title in other parts. Clever bugger that devil of yours.
I don't believe creatures, including angels, are more clever than God. I do think angels are more cleaver than humans. However, angels loyal to God don't connive, they obey God's will. Satan uses supernatural powers as a former angel of heaven to gain advantages in the universe. Satan isn't my clever bugger, he's democratic, he belongs to everyone. How luck we are, right!
In our material world, Satan appears to have the advantage, it is part of his domain. After all, God created the universe to imprison Satan. Satan is kind of like an unemployed member of royalty, he needs to find something useful to keep him busy. Making mischief is what he does best.
I don't believe creatures, including angels, are more clever than God. I do think angels are more cleaver than humans. However, angels loyal to God don't connive, they obey God's will. Satan uses supernatural powers as a former angel of heaven to gain advantages in the universe. Satan isn't my clever bugger, he's democratic, he belongs to everyone. How luck we are, right!
In our material world, Satan appears to have the advantage, it is part of his domain. After all, God created the universe to imprison Satan. Satan is kind of like an unemployed member of royalty, he needs to find something useful to keep him busy. Making mischief is what he does best.
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I don't believe creatures, including angels, are more clever than God. I do think angels are more cleaver than humans. However, angels loyal to God don't connive, they obey God's will. Satan uses supernatural powers as a former angel of heaven to gain advantages in the universe. Satan isn't my clever bugger, he's democratic, he belongs to everyone. How luck we are, right!
In our material world, Satan appears to have the advantage, it is part of his domain. After all, God created the universe to imprison Satan. Satan is kind of like an unemployed member of royalty, he needs to find something useful to keep him busy. Making mischief is what he does best.
Partly sarcastic, but I believe Satan is out there, and I also believe God created the universe to imprison him. After the rebellion, I suppose God could have destroyed Satan, but for some reason he imprisoned him. I don't expect anyone to believe it. Christians and most other believers think God created the universe for humans. It is a long story. In short, we are collateral damage from Satan's rebellion.
I agree, maybe Satan did influence the NT. I say that based on my understanding of Jesus. Jesus was really God, not the son of God. It would be a coup for Satan to change meanings in order to turn Jews away from God and Judaism. Assuming Jesus was God and came into the world for Jews, not a new religion, we would have a different world. Perhaps, there would be less Anti-Semitism, which would mean greater protection for Jews throughout the world. My theory is God (Jesus) came into the world to clarify his commandments, and thus create a better relationship with his chosen people.
I've researched these issues and have found some support. As an example, you find no mention of the son of God or the crucifixion of Jesus in early gospels, or those written immediately after the death of Jesus. Those ideas popped up about thirty years after his death. I believe Jesus was God, whom I believe is a duality (see my thread and postings about God's duality). From the beginning of God's decision to make Jews His chosen people Satan has made one attempt after another to upset everything. He even created a new religion to attack Jews. Was that really Gabriel in the cave with Mohammad? Could it have been Satan pretending to be one of God's angels? Satan is incredible clever, he will do anything to oppose God and attack His chosen people. Satan had a field day with Hitler's campaign to destroy European Jews. Why would he cease efforts to destroy them? Now, we have Jews surrounded by enemies dedicated to the destruction of Israel. Until the end of humanity, Satan will be at war with God's chosen people, and he will use any means to destroy them.
In my opinion this is a very important subject. You can do, as I have, research, and you will find significant issues about the gospels. As an example, you will not find any narratives in prior gospels for the four gospels. The evidence suggests that the gospel writers were not entirely honest. If there were, where did they get their information for narrative stories?
What I have found is Christian clerics have never researched the topic. They take the four gospels as absolute truth. It is part of Christian business. Those weekly church contributions are the lifeblood of Christian churches. Our pastor lives a few houses away. He seems to pride himself on not having to work, or have a job in the private sector. I think they are like socialists. They expect others to work hard so they can continue their religious life style. They would go crazy if they knew about those prior gospels. I don't think they are honest, just pretentious. If they were really honest, they would acknowledge those discrepancies in the history and formation of the gospels.
If I am wrong, post it. Truth should prevail over Christian beliefs.
What I expect is this thread will die. Christians are not really truthful, just dedicated. Christianity is very appealing, just believe and you will be saved. It has to be one of the biggest frauds in history.
That is a very interesting claim. The gospels don't say Jesus was God himself just a son of God. But since (on Christian dogmatic faith) Jesus IS God, the gospels have been fiddled by Satan to conceal the truth.
Wow.
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