Atheists Propose ‘Genocide And Incest Park' (believer, religions, education)
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I think you are one dodging, but that is typical I can expect from you.
IRONY ALERT!
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Originally Posted by jeffbase40
There is plenty of evidence out there if you are willing to accept it.
There is plenty of evidence out there for Mermaids too - if you are willing to accept it.
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Originally Posted by Amaznjohn
That's a good attempt, but you seem to be inconsistent. You initially claim that we haven't achieved having knowledge on the same level as God, yet you then claim to know the attributes of this God.
Yes. That's another thing isn't is. These boards are full of so called Christians telling us what 'God' likes and doesn't like, what he does and doesn't do, what he thinks, what he wishes, why he does or doesn't do things; yet trap them in a corner and they will begin to cough and splutter and scream 'We can't know God, we can't understand him, his ways are far beyond our comprehension...', that's after spending the past hour telling us about the 'personal relationship' they have with their god. None of them can explain just how the heck one can have a 'personal relationship' with someone one knows nothing about.
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Originally Posted by Vizio
There will be no sin in heaven to cause backsliders.
Then why couldn't your boss have create the same here in the first place and save a lot of suffering?
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Originally Posted by Vizio
Do you think that you'd have been better of having never been created?
Do you think that your god could have made a better effort in the construction - considering he's supposed to be omnimax - and thus save a world of suffering and misery?
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Originally Posted by jeffbase40
You would say that even if I had video taped evidence of an angel. You would say the video was manipulated. There is nothing that would satisfy those who have harden their hearts against God.
Yes there is. Tell you what, why don't you get together with your mate Vizio and earnestly pray to your Jesus to end poverty and want world-wide by tomorrow morning? See...then, you would have a scoop because, if it happens, you would not only have proven that there is a god and that he answers prayers but, best of all for you I bet...you would have millions of atheists around the world falling to their knees in acknowledgement that they were wrong.
Oh wait! I forgot! All over the world people pray for those things every day don't they and people much nearer to your god than either of you two will ever be....but nothing happens does it...and we know why.
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Originally Posted by jeffbase40
An evil God would not have sent Christ to save our sorry butts...
An a god that was not evil wouldn't have his own son tortured. A god that was not evil would not stand idly by whilst millions starve. Besides, you have yet to show that any such thing happened other than in the pages of a book that has been proven to be largely fable, fiction and fraud.
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...by enduring hours of intense physical torture.
Pfffttt! Thousands of men suffered far worse for YEARS in Japanese prison camps during WWII. Besides, you have yet to show that any such thing happened other than in the pages of a book that has been proven to be largely fable, fiction and fraud.
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Originally Posted by The Last Amalekite 1Sam15
If I had a time machine back to that day, knowing what I know today, I'd save JtC.
What would you do Viz?
Vizio and Jeff would probably see JtC as a leftie, liberal, socialist and throw stones through his windows.
Well if thousands of people worldwide were claiming to have real experiences with Space Crabs then that would be something worth considering, but your probability factor still remains at zero.
Every supernatural experience is the work of the Giant Space Crabs.
Nothing you said here refutes my point that Christ suffered for us. Have you ever had a single moment of pleasure in this lifetime? Well you can thank that evil God for that. You can thank Him for giving you life. He didn't have to create you, after all.
Do you have verifiable evidence that Christ actually existed? Any at all? I've never seen any.
You would say that even if I had video taped evidence of an angel. You would say the video was manipulated. There is nothing that would satisfy those who have harden their hearts against God. Yet in the real world, people have supernatural experiences every day.
Can we find this angel video on youtube.com? I'd like to see this video.
You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards, witches, demons,
sticks turning into snakes, burning bushes, food falling from the sky,
people walking on water, and all sorts of magical, absurd and primitive
stories, and you say that WE are the ones that need help?
Mark Twain
Well of course! Who in their right mind wouldn't?? What your god did (allegedly) would be akin to mechanic building a car and fitting it with an engine that he knew - 100% - would explode as soon as tried to start it. I mean how dumb would you call someone like that??
No, it is akin to a mechanic building a car, the owner goes out and wrecks and it and then blames the car maker for not making the car unwreckable.
In other words, you set up a world where God gets all the blame and man has zero accountability for his actions. We brought the rot into this world. We create the rot and misery here. God has to clean up the mess.
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Originally Posted by Rafius
Spot on again.
You're getting it right every time. Well done. What would you think of a manufacturer that deliberately designed and produced a product that he knew would fail straight off?
If he knew it would fail 100% of the time then he shouldn't make it. To equate that with God though is to say nothing has ever good came out of mankind. That's not true. There are many who have followed the path of righteous and done great things for God. You don't burn down the bun factory because you get a bad batches in the daily run, now do you? You discard the bad ones. God will do that one day to those like yourself who defiantly reject him. You reap what you sow.
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Originally Posted by Rafius
No you don't know that at all. It is what you BELIEVE based on the 4000 year old babbling of, by our standards, woefully uneducated men.
Tell me, how did these uneducated men gain so much knowledge and detail about the intersecting cultures in the Biblical accounts? Ex. Joseph and the Egyptian High court, Babylonian culture, Romans society. Proverbs alone is a book of great wisdom amazingly applicable even today. All you show here is either ignorance about the Bible or great disdain for the greatest book in human history.
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Originally Posted by Rafius
This is another irritating thing that fundies do, giving examples of things that their god does (as a parent) and equating it with what normal parents do with their children.
Well that's hypocritical since you equate God to the level of mankind and act like He should play by the same rules as the creation.
Why do you believe they deserved any better? The atheist worldview has no answer for that--because morality is not based on any objective reality--it's only your opinion.
Objective Morality comes from the Giant Space Crabs, not the Christian God. The Giant Space Crabs said so.
No, it is akin to a mechanic building a car, the owner goes out and wrecks and it and then blames the car maker for not making the car unwreckable.
No, it's akin to the mechanic deliberately making a car that could do no other than be wrecked. A car that was designed to be wrecked.
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In other words, you set up a world where God gets all the blame and man has zero accountability for his actions.
Well yes...that's about it. The person you blame is the guy that DELIBERATELY made the faulty product, not the guy that bought it.
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We brought the rot into this world. We create the rot and misery here. God has to clean up the mess.
No, your god brought the rot. People cannot create things. The rot was there, designed and supplied by your god.
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You don't burn down the bun factory because you get a bad batches in the daily run, now do you? You discard the bad ones.
Yes Jeff that's spot on pal. Now take your analogy of the buns and apply it to people before your god decided to murder everyone on Earth bar eight. If your creation turn out wrong, you don't kill every one of them in a flood, including day old babies and animals...you just get rid of the bad 'buns'. Glad you're seeing it our way at last.
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God will do that one day to those like yourself who defiantly reject him. You reap what you sow.
Sorry to disappoint you old beast but I'm not frightened by silly superstitious nonsense.
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Tell me, how did these uneducated men gain so much knowledge and detail about the intersecting cultures in the Biblical accounts? Ex. Joseph and the Egyptian High court, Babylonian culture, Romans society.
Do you think that people didn't travel then?
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Well that's hypocritical since you equate God to the level of mankind and act like He should play by the same rules as the creation.
I don't, you do. You draw analogies of your god being a parent and equating it with human parents. You can't do that. It's not the same thing. Human parents are not omnimax.
No, it's akin to the mechanic deliberately making a car that could do no other than be wrecked. A car that was designed to be wrecked.
Well yes...that's about it. The person you blame is the guy that DELIBERATELY made the faulty product, not the guy that bought it.
No, your god brought the rot. People cannot create things. The rot was there, designed and supplied by your god.
So all mankind is faulty and bad? Everything God created was originally perfect, working together like a well oiled machine. Sinful man most certainly can create. We create chaos. We create war. We even mess up the environment with climate change. We wreck ecosystems with our oil spills. We destroy rain forests. etc... Man is to blame, not God.
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Originally Posted by Rafius
Yes Jeff that's spot on pal. Now take your analogy of the buns and apply it to people before your god decided to murder everyone on Earth bar eight. If your creation turn out wrong, you don't kill every one of them in a flood, including day old babies and animals...you just get rid of the bad 'buns'. Glad you're seeing it our way at last.
If every batch is bad then yes, the factory needs to go away and that's what happened in this isolated event. God saw that every thought in every human's heart was wicked. It was hopeless. Good does not come out of evil. Each generation only gets worse.
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Originally Posted by Rafius
Sorry to disappoint you old beast but I'm not frightened by silly superstitious nonsense.
Then you lose the right to EVER demand evidence from me. You have already written it off.
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Originally Posted by Rafius
Do you think that people didn't travel then?
You claim they were uneducated without a single shred of proof to back it up. Typical.
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Originally Posted by Rafius
I don't, you do. You draw analogies of your god being a parent and equating it with human parents. You can't do that. It's not the same thing. Human parents are not omnimax.
And God is not human. He is the creator of life. He has ever right to take it away and that is not immoral or evil. It is if we try to do it ourselves.
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