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Thinking about another thread where someone offered the idea tha Lucifer was created as good, because God cannot create evil? LOL...
So I,as usual, got to pondering, that since there was no EVIL until Adam was gullible enough to taste the forbidden fruit (which I think was NOT the apple, but actually a variation of seafood) HOW WAS EVIL PRE-EXISTING prior to Adam and Steve eating the apple?
Is it possible that EVIL is the ONLY thing God did not create, thereby making EVIL the only thing to EXIST BEFORE and OUTSIDE of God?
Lucifer convinced Eve to eat the forbidden fruit. Lucifer was evil at this point.
Lucifer was created "good" but became evil by thinking that he was better than God - it is the same sin that MANY so-called Christians commit when they believe that they have been "saved" - when THEY have decided that they are going to Heaven.
It is the same sin when THEY believe that they are worthy of being Raptured, even though there isn't going to be a Pre-Trib Rapture.
Well, my perspective is ''evil and good'' is still from the dualistic thought system
that this 3rd dimension loves...up/down...good/bad.
There is a place where there is neither...there is only one power...It is
everything..."It" just ''is''...no good, no bad...just It's Beingness..pure
experience with no judgment.
in a place where there is no space and time....thank you Leon Russell.
Jesus was a teacher that tried to show this...Nothing is what it seems....get out of your
limited thought system.
Well, my perspective is ''evil and good'' is still from the dualistic thought system
that this 3rd dimension loves...up/down...good/bad.
There is a place where there is neither...there is only one power...It is
everything..."It" just ''is''...no good, no bad...just It's Beingness..pure
experience with no judgment.
in a place where there is no space and time....thank you Leon Russell.
Jesus was a teacher that tried to show this...Nothing is what it seems....get out of your
limited thought system.
Just curious...what do you base that on? What informs you of that?
Thinking about another thread where someone offered the idea tha Lucifer was created as good, because God cannot create evil? LOL...
So I,as usual, got to pondering, that since there was no EVIL until Adam was gullible enough to taste the forbidden fruit (which I think was NOT the apple, but actually a variation of seafood) HOW WAS EVIL PRE-EXISTING prior to Adam and Steve eating the apple?
Is it possible that EVIL is the ONLY thing God did not create, thereby making EVIL the only thing to EXIST BEFORE and OUTSIDE of God?
Like all of the other spirits God created, He created Lucifer's out of highly refined matter that was co-existent with Him. Therefore, God cannot be blamed for Lucifer's choices.
If God knows all, creates and and foresees all, then He created Lucifer specifically to "turn evil", hence God Himself created evil (an idea He Himself supports in a passage in the Bible, by literally saying so).
If God did NOT intend for Lucifer to "turn evil" then He doesn't know all and isn't the creator of all.
There is a place where there is neither...there is only one power...It is
everything..."It" just ''is''...no good, no bad...just It's Beingness..pure
experience with no judgment.
in a place where there is no space and time....thank you Leon Russell.
Jesus was a teacher that tried to show this...Nothing is what it seems....get out of your limited thought system.
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Originally Posted by Vizio
Just curious...what do you base that on? What informs you of that?
I agree with Miss H. I don't know about her inspiration (aside from Leon Russell?), but I will offer this: Is there good without evil? To put it another way: Is anything "good" if there is no opposite to contrast it with? And prior to the creation of humanity and/or Lucifer, was there any evil?
My suggestion is this: Prior to evil, there was no "good" or "evil" - there was simply "Being," i.e., God, if you are so inclined. So the "essence of God" is not good or evil, but just "Being-ness" as Miss H. says. "Pure experience with no judgment" since there was no evil to be judged before there was evil to be judged.
If this is true, and if Jesus were here on Earth to show the way to truth, then wouldn't this be implied in what he taught? Jesus, of all people, certainly "thought outside the box." He didn't just robotically follow the OT and endlessly debate the fine points of OT legal details. If we are to live in accordance with what Jesus taught by example, then should we commit ourselves to robotically follow the laws of the Bible and endlessly debate every legalistic point raised in the scriptures? Again I think Miss H. has it right. Followers of Jesus ought to understand him as saying "get out of your limited thought system."
Lucifer, of course, might have thought a bit too far outside the box for God's tastes.
To a parched area of the globe, rain is good. To a hurricane-torn island, rain is evil, perhaps even a punishment.
We think having cattle/livestock, in abundance, is good; indeed, a blessing. What do you think the cows think when they see that hammer coming down? Do THEY think the situation is good or evil?
To the woman who's been raped and now pregnant, the pregnancy is evil, a punishment. To the woman who's struggled through for rounds of IVF and who has been on the brink of divorce from her husband under the stress, a pregnancy is not only good, she thinks it's literally a blessing.
To a starving infant, baby formula is good. To a cow's milk-intolerant infant, baby formula is so evil it may actually be lethal.
To the freezing-cold hunter and his freezing-cold family, finding animals to kill for hides is good, maybe a miracle. How do you think the animals who "provided" those hides feel about it?
Killing is EVIL. It's bad! What about if the person you just shot was standing over your infant with a knife, though? Or attempting to rape your child?
Bacteria are evil. Evil! Evil! Evil! Evil! Well...except the ones that are necessary in our guts in order for us to actually survive. Okay, so...CERTAIN bacteria and viruses are evil because they ONLY kill. So we kill them. When we kill them, we see that as good. They're just trying to survive, if they had intellect do you think they'd view our mass murder of them as good or evil?
There IS no good or evil, there is only survival and that's minute-to-minute and ever-changing.
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