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The oracle of demanding an evidence itself is questionable.
Over the last 200 odd years, there have been "evidences" provided by science that made us believe in something. But later, as our knowledge grew, science proved itself to be wrong, and the evidences were thrown out of the window.
Time travel was deemed "impossible" by science for 100 of years but now science is open to admit that it's possible, at least in theory.
Those who look for evidence of God must define exactly what is evidence because a provided scientific and verifiable evidence today, may just turn out to be wrong in a 100 years from now.
And that's why I said, believing in God is a faith. You don't look for evidences and waste your time and energy. You are not worried about evidences anymore after you have established the faith.. It's a FAITH!
Instead, you put a better use to your PRACTICAL life in the light of God's guidance as our time on this earth is very limited.
I can't for the life of me see a single reason in the world to need or want faith, and all the reasons to reject it, since it is based not in fact, but in evidence-less hope/superstition.
The oracle of demanding an evidence itself is questionable.
Over the last 200 odd years, there have been "evidences" provided by science that made us believe in something. But later, as our knowledge grew, science proved itself to be wrong, and the evidences were thrown out of the window.
Time travel was deemed "impossible" by science for 100 of years but now science is open to admit that it's possible, at least in theory.
Those who look for evidence of God must define exactly what is evidence because a provided scientific and verifiable evidence today, may just turn out to be wrong in a 100 years from now.
And that's why I said, believing in God is a faith. You don't look for evidences and waste your time and energy. You are worried about evidences any more. It's a FAITH!
Instead, you put a better use to your PRACTICAL life in the light of God's guidance as our time on this earth is very limited.
The conclusions based on evidence may be re-formulated, but in the ultimate analysis, those conclusion are the product of intellect and evidence, not flights of fantasy. In any case, the question is not SHOULD I ask for it, but, rather, do you have any to offer.
The oracle of demanding an evidence itself is questionable.
Over the last 200 odd years, there have been "evidences" provided by science that made us believe in something. But later, as our knowledge grew, science proved itself to be wrong, and the evidences were thrown out of the window.
This is a confused statement from those who don't understand the scientific process. Hint: It's designed to change its course when newer and better evidence presents itself.
I would like to see you list a few scientific claims that have been incompletely overhauled or just simply thrown out the window in the past 200 years.
I want to see credible verifiable links for your claims...not just your opinion.
Science will always look for explanations for what goes on in the natural world and test those explanations against evidence from the natural world — but exactly how this gets done may evolve. The scientific enterprise is not static. Science is deeply interwoven with society, and as it has changed, so too has science. Here are just a few examples of how modern scientific practices have been transformed by increasing knowledge, changing societal concerns, and advances in communication and technology.
It changes because Science is a progressive body of knowledge. It's not stuck in some ancient mind lock as you find with religion.
Again, "evidence" in what sense? And if there is "no evidence" than the question becomes, as I stated, if there was "evidence", what would be the value of faith? Faith with evidence is, by its nature, not faith.
Pointing to "no scientific evidence" as a "gotcha!" for religion is like pointing to a lack of water as a "gotcha!" for the existence of a desert. The fact that there is no concrete evidence is the point.
And you can, as I said, make the argument that it is philosophically wrong to believe something without evidence, but I have yet to see that argument carry much cohesion.
And so it begins....
An analogy: when Carlos Gracie studied martial arts, he wanted to find a way to adapt his small, short frame for fighting. And he figured it out: there were a lot of great standup fighters, but when the fight was taken to the mat, the rules were different and none of those boxers or karate fighters could match him. And thus Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu was born.
In a debate on theology, philosophy is the mat and "New Atheism" is the helpless boxer. Just as an ability to jab or cross wont help you on ground, "scientific evidence" and "data" are of no help when it gets down to philosophy.
Yes there is no evidence....AND THAT IS WHY IT IS AWESOME.
"Absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence"
By way of background, I was born Catholic, but in my 20's walked away from all forms of religion and became a non-believer. Why? I just couldn't swallow such fantastic flights of fantasy, and so many disconnects in logic and rationality without at least some substantive, verifiable evidence. I don't believe in Santa Claus, BTW, for the same reasons I don't believe in any god or creator etc., or a "life" after death, re-birth, reincarnation etc., of any type. There simply isn't, in my experience, any evidence whatsoever.
However, I am open to new information, and would ask if anyone has any direct evidence, please present it.
Two basic standards apply:
1. It has to be verifiably true
2. It has to have direct evidentiary value. IOW, it has to speak directly and substantively to the premise that there is, in fact, a god.
BTW, no dogma-as-evidence or anecdotal submissions - only real "stuff" that can be verified.
The conclusions based on evidence may be re-formulated, but in the ultimate analysis, those conclusion are the product of intellect and evidence, not flights of fantasy. In any case, the question is not SHOULD I ask for it, but, rather, do you have any to offer.
I take it you have none.
So you DO have a verifiable evidence that there is no God?
This is a confused statement from those who don't understand the scientific process. Hint: It's designed to change its course when newer and better evidence presents itself.
I would like to see you list a few scientific claims that have been incompletely overhauled or just simply thrown out the window in the past 200 years.
I want to see credible verifiable links for your claims...not just your opinion.
Science will always look for explanations for what goes on in the natural world and test those explanations against evidence from the natural world — but exactly how this gets done may evolve. The scientific enterprise is not static. Science is deeply interwoven with society, and as it has changed, so too has science. Here are just a few examples of how modern scientific practices have been transformed by increasing knowledge, changing societal concerns, and advances in communication and technology.
It changes because Science is a progressive body of knowledge. It's not stuck in some ancient mind lock as you find with religion.
You should be able to search a few medications that were proved with verified evidence to be beneficial in treating or curing some medical condition, and they were further verified by FDA before the mass production.
But as our knowledge grew, all the presented evidence by the pharmaceutical companies were thrown out of the window, large recalls were made, and huge law suits were filed by the victims.
The conclusions based on evidence may be re-formulated, but in the ultimate analysis, those conclusion are the product of intellect and evidence, not flights of fantasy. In any case, the question is not SHOULD I ask for it, but, rather, do you have any to offer.
I take it you have none.
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Originally Posted by GoCardinals
So you DO have a verifiable evidence that there is no God?
Well that's a quantum leap. What we do have however, is a total absence of evidence that there is a god of any description.
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