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He and his CHRISTIAN followers would have probably thought they were practicing vicarious self-sacrifice, respecting your authority figures, martyrdom for a godly cause, among a number of other desperate and contradictory Christian tenets.
Here I will highlight for you what the People's Temple of the Disciples of Christ leadership said about what his "teachings" at this poorly-hidden Missionary site were producing in their "holy spirit" view -->
[implying this person meant "Love" as probably "God" but was less in coined to say it outright in those hippie times where the word "God" was stained by the harshness and ugliness of KJV Bibliolatrists and other fundamentalists].
I asked what you think HE was practicing?
Do you really believe that Christianity tells Christian leaders to do that?
Christianity does not teach suicide and/or murder as a way of self-sacrifice, nor does it suggest that we martyr ourselves. There is NO example of any apostle doing that. In the early church Christians would be dipped in tar and lit on fire in Nero's garden, or they'd be fed to the lions, but none of them decided to just off themselves as a way to deny themselves.
Do you really believe that Christianity tells Christian leaders to do that?
Do I believe Christianity (a vague religion) tells some Christian leaders to do that and others NOT to do that? Yes, it's about voices in their heads and how they "interpret" their bibliolatry/feelings... so Yes, the products of Christianity can indeed and DO indeed include THAT.
I quoted the "feelings" that the pastor of the PTDC wrote about, and also what the missionary site leader (the cult leader) also said about how he took Jesus as a role model (perhaps influenced by Russian Orthodox Christians who supported communism or something).
However, that guy/cult-leader in particular had obvious worsening mental problems and he thought that the "collective suicide/murder" would bring them prestige like Jesus/Disciples and also somehow support his cause and give it good propaganda (I did say he had worsening mental problems). Still, Christianity DID interact with his mental problems and the mental problems of all the followers in oder to cause the tragedy.
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Christianity does not teach suicide and/or murder as a way of self-sacrifice, nor does it suggest that we martyr ourselves. There is NO example of any apostle doing that. In the early church Christians would be dipped in tar and lit on fire in Nero's garden, or they'd be fed to the lions, but none of them decided to just off themselves as a way to deny themselves.
Christianity DID and DOES teach
suicide (many martyrs allowed themselves to be killed "Just like Lord Jesus/Disciples" even by drinking poison, which according to NT isn't supposed to hurt nor "defile" a Christian)
and murder (Holy War, Capital Punishment, Self-Defense, Murder of Hypatia, Murder of entire towns and its animals if God commands, etc) as ways of self-sacrifice.
Christianity DOES suggest that if you martyr yourself you are probably more of a real Jesus follower, since the NT gives self-fulfilling and hypnotic prophecies about "real" Christians expecting to be persecuted harshly.
Do you really believe that the Apostles didn't martyr themselves (perhaps in EXAMPLE, depending on interpretation)?
All criminals (including gays and Thor-worshipers that Nero didn't like) could and would be dipped in tar and lit on fire... You see, close conservative advisors told Nero that torture worked and that Christianity was Atheism and Blasphemy against Olympians/Theos and the Holy Art that represented them (even if only through the personal experience/ Psyche)!
All martyrs decided to "off themselves as a way to deny themselves" by "coming out" and letting themselves be captured and killed ... many of these martyrs even wrote long letters about how they were "in control" and "willingly/happily" going to the slaughter for Jesus and to make a point / prove themselves in order to attain blissful immortality. Many Christians even WENT TO WAR thinking that would make them martyrs and their passage into Yahweh's Elysian Fields /Higher Heavens / Heaven at all, easier.
Do Bibliolatrists not study real history, and instead just ignore it? Then again, idolatrists also worshiped art and had a grave need within themselves to deny reality.
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Do I believe Christianity (a vague religion) tells some Christian leaders to do that and others NOT to do that? Yes, it's about voices in their heads and how they "interpret" their bibliolatry/feelings... so Yes, the products of Christianity can indeed and DO indeed include THAT.
I quoted the "feelings" that the pastor of the PTDC wrote about, and also what the missionary site leader (the cult leader) also said about how he took Jesus as a role model (perhaps influenced by Russian Orthodox Christians who supported communism or something).
However, that guy/cult-leader in particular had obvious worsening mental problems and he thought that the "collective suicide/murder" would bring them prestige like Jesus/Disciples and also somehow support his cause and give it good propaganda (I did say he had worsening mental problems). Still, Christianity DID interact with his mental problems and the mental problems of all the followers in oder to cause the tragedy.
Feelings and anecdotes aside, now please back up your assertion by explaining on a doctrinal basis how Christianity the religion teaches suicide, please. I'd like actual chapter and verse of any apostles writing to someone telling them to kill themselves.
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Christianity DID and DOES teach
suicide (many martyrs allowed themselves to be killed "Just like Lord Jesus/Disciples" even by drinking poison, which according to NT isn't supposed to hurt nor "defile" a Christian)
There is a big difference between submitting to an authority and doing it yourself. No, the apostles did not submit to a preacher who told them to drink poison. Nor does the text say that all Christians will be immune to said poison.
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and murder (Holy War, Capital Punishment, Self-Defense, Murder of Hypatia, Murder of entire towns and its animals if God commands, etc) as ways of self-sacrifice.
There were commands given to ancient Israel to take possession of the promised land and to wipe out the inhabitants there. THis does not include Christians or anyone alive today.
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Christianity DOES suggest that if you martyr yourself you are probably more of a real Jesus follower, since the NT gives self-fulfilling and hypnotic prophecies about "real" Christians expecting to be persecuted harshly.
What verse, please?
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Do you really believe that the Apostles didn't martyr themselves (perhaps in EXAMPLE, depending on interpretation)?
They were martyred. Big difference. We also read in the book of Acts that when Saul/Paul was going around arresting them they fled. They didn't stick around or willingly lay their heads on a block.
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All criminals (including gays and Thor-worshipers that Nero didn't like) could and would be dipped in tar and lit on fire... You see, close conservative advisors told Nero that torture worked and that Christianity was Atheism and Blasphemy against Olympians/Theos and the Holy Art that represented them (even if only through the personal experience/ Psyche)!
OK?
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All martyrs decided to "off themselves as a way to deny themselves" by "coming out" and letting themselves be captured and killed ... many of these martyrs even wrote long letters about how they were "in control" and "willingly/happily" going to the slaughter for Jesus and to make a point / prove themselves in order to attain blissful immortality. Many Christians even WENT TO WAR thinking that would make them martyrs and their passage into Yahweh's Elysian Fields /Higher Heavens / Heaven at all, easier.
Again..big difference between allowing oneself to be killed and doing the deed yourself.
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