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Wow! Are you angry? Why are you calling me names? Is this what you call 'intellectual' discussion?
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Aaaaaaaaaahahahahaha!! I knew it. Exactly as I predicted
So you already knew that pillars was figurative?
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...and I thought that you would have realised that saying that the Earth hangs on nothing is an observation even the dumbest village idiot could have observed.
Again with such harsh language.
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He could also look into the sky and seen that the Earth wasn't hanging on anything.
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AS I predicted. Anything in the Bible that supports your belief must be taken as literal; anything that contradicts must be taken as metaphor, allegory or figurative.
Um this was known before you asked the question. The fact that pillar was figurative has been known for hundreds of years...are you just now learning this? Again, whoever taught you the Bible did a really bad job. Your 'prediction' is not a prediction at all because it might be new to you but it's not new to those who actually study the Bible and can study scientific discoveries. This is why any argument you have will lack substance because you might know a little about one subject but know absolutely nothing about the other. Many on the other hand don't limit themselves but study MANY things. Like Sir Isaac Newton.
You mean when ALL CHURCHES believed the earth was the center of the universe and FLAT...
No. Further back then that. Moses made note that they Earth was on nothing before the word church existed. Before the English language.
Isaiah 40:22 - "It is he that sitteth upon the globe of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in. " Douay-Rheims Bible
Tim, give it up. You're fighting above your weight class. It won't be pretty.
Actually I'm still waiting for the fight. So far I have only been called nasty names and been shown something that as been understood for centuries. Which if the name calling is his best reply, then I'm done here.
No. Further back then that. Moses made note that they Earth was on nothing before the word church existed. Before the English language.
Isaiah 40:22 - "It is he that sitteth upon the globe of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in. " Douay-Rheims Bible
Funny, every OTHER translation gives that as "circle of the earth" which would be the horizon as seen from a high place and match the translation of the only other occurrance of the word in Hebrew at Proverbs 6: When He inscribed a circle on the face of the deep,
Funny, every OTHER translation gives that as "circle of the earth" which would be the horizon as seen from a high place and match the translation of the only other occurrance of the word in Hebrew at Proverbs 6: When He inscribed a circle on the face of the deep,
What do you expect an ancient human to translate in the case that God actually meant to say a globe.
There's another verse saying that God made earth suspended over nothing.
Funny, every OTHER translation gives that as "circle of the earth" which would be the horizon as seen from a high place and match the translation of the only other occurrance of the word in Hebrew at Proverbs 6: When He inscribed a circle on the face of the deep,
Science in the Bible, eh? The 'circle' in the Hebrew is a flat circle. With a dome over it with thewarthbelow suspended apparently on nothing visible. And the pillars supporting. All fitting in with ancient cosmology and no need to explain away what is obviously wrong as 'figurative'. If the Hebrew had intended to refer to a sphere, it would have used the term "ddur". instead it used "Chwug" which refers to a flat circle as drawn by compasses. In fact if memory serves me correctly compasses are called "Menchwugan" or something of the kind. A photo of the earth doesn't help your case unless you believe it is flat or that God looking down didn't know that it wasn't.
Ah. It's "mĕchuwgah"
Isa 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
Transliteration chuwg
Pronunciation
khüg (Key)
Part of Speech
masculine noun
The KJV translates Strongs H2329 in the following manner: circle (1x), circuit (1x), compass (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
circle, circuit, compass
(BDB) vault (of the heavens)
*Blue letter Bible - Strong's concordamnces}
Isa 44:13
The carpenter stretcheth out his rule; he marketh it out with a line; he fitteth it with planes, and he marketh it out with the compass, and maketh it after the figure of a man, according to the beauty of a man; that it may remain in the house.
Transliteration
mĕchuwgah
Pronunciation
mekk·ü·gä' (Key)
Part of Speech
feminine noun
KJV Translation Count — Total: 1x
The KJV translates Strongs H4230 in the following manner: compass (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
circle-instrument, compass
confirmed here
Pro 8:27
When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
the term "chwug" is used here.
ball
Isa 22:18 He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house.
duwr
Pronunciation
dure (Key)
Part of Speech
masculine noun
KJV Translation Count — Total: 3x
The KJV translates Strongs H1754 in the following manner: ball (1x), round about (1x), burn (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
ball, circle
circle
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It is a myth that people used to think the earth was flat.
The myth of the flat Earth is the modern misconception that the prevailing cosmological view during the Middle Ages in Europe saw the Earth as flat, instead of spherical.
During the early Middle Ages, virtually all scholars maintained the spherical viewpoint first expressed by the Ancient Greeks. From at least the 14th century, belief in a flat Earth among the educated was almost nonexistent, despite fanciful depictions in art, such as the exterior of Hieronymus Bosch's famous triptych The Garden of Earthly Delights, in which a disc-shaped Earth is shown floating inside a transparent sphere.
According to Stephen Jay Gould, "there never was a period of 'flat Earth darkness' among scholars (regardless of how the public at large may have conceptualized our planet both then and now). Greek knowledge of sphericity never faded, and all major medieval scholars accepted the Earth's roundness as an established fact of cosmology."
They sure didn't think the earth was flat in the bible and they had knowledge of the planets. I think they were more intelligent then than now.
It is a myth that people used to think the earth was flat.
The myth of the flat Earth is the modern misconception that the prevailing cosmological view during the Middle Ages in Europe saw the Earth as flat, instead of spherical.
During the early Middle Ages, virtually all scholars maintained the spherical viewpoint first expressed by the Ancient Greeks. From at least the 14th century, belief in a flat Earth among the educated was almost nonexistent, despite fanciful depictions in art, such as the exterior of Hieronymus Bosch's famous triptych The Garden of Earthly Delights, in which a disc-shaped Earth is shown floating inside a transparent sphere.
According to Stephen Jay Gould, "there never was a period of 'flat Earth darkness' among scholars (regardless of how the public at large may have conceptualized our planet both then and now). Greek knowledge of sphericity never faded, and all major medieval scholars accepted the Earth's roundness as an established fact of cosmology."
They sure didn't think the earth was flat in the bible and they had knowledge of the planets. I think they were more intelligent then than now.
They were much more intelligent than people give them credit for that is for sure.
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