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Old 03-31-2008, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Huntsville, AL
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Of course you are glad there is no physical evidence. That way you can keep denying that there is no logic behind your beliefs.
But if there was physical evidence to prove it, then wouldn't there be logic behind said beliefs.
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Old 03-31-2008, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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All that means nothing to somebody who doesn't believe.
"Well as someone here said, everyone starts out with unbelief".
I don't necessarily agree with that, but there are degrees.

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And once again, you're suggesting that just because somebody doesn't believe, they didn't have faith or didn't "ask God". To even think you could know something like that when you don't know all nonbelievers is laughable.
I don't doubt that's how you understood it, but that's not what i am saying.

Someone else said, "Laughter is the best medicine".

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 03-31-2008, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Oz
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But if there was physical evidence to prove it, then wouldn't there be logic behind said beliefs.
Yes. But since we're lacking that, I shall continue to believe how I do unless shown conflicting proof.
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Old 03-31-2008, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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Of course you are glad there is no physical evidence. That way you can keep denying that there is no logic behind your beliefs.
I didn't say there wasn't any, i said that we are unaware of any.

Sometimes we have to step away from logic and into knowing. Man's use of logic has not always been perfect.

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 03-31-2008, 01:49 PM
 
Location: An absurd world.
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I didn't say there wasn't any, i said that we are unaware of any.

Sometimes we have to step away from logic and into knowing. Man's use of logic has not always been perfect.

godspeed,

freedom
Human's relying on faith has never been perfect.
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Old 03-31-2008, 01:53 PM
 
Location: An absurd world.
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"Well as someone here said, everyone starts out with unbelief".
I don't necessarily agree with that, but there are degrees.
Are you going to actually try to tell me that people are born with belief in something? That is simply ridiculous. If everybody was born with belief, then what belief?

I guess it was a trait passed through their parents' genes or something. Whatever religion they followed, their children were born following it. Asian children are born Buddhists. Middle Easter children are born Muslims. Lol..

People are born without belief. That's why there is a such thing as indoctrination.
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Old 03-31-2008, 01:56 PM
 
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I didn't say there wasn't any, i said that we are unaware of any.

Sometimes we have to step away from logic and into knowing. Man's use of logic has not always been perfect.

godspeed,

freedom
A god that doesn't make sense is just a construct of a muddled up mind
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Old 03-31-2008, 02:01 PM
 
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First, I have cleared up the problem with the moderators of this board and the warning was removed.

Second, I understand. In the future, I will simply provide a link to the article and reference it or quote whatever block I'm using in the discussion to make my point. It's easier that way and should end the confusion.

No harm no foul.. on with the discussion.

--> Curbing Atheism (http://paleoconservatist.blogspot.com/2008/03/curbing-atheism.html - broken link)

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First of all, this probably isn't really my place to say so, but I've been on this forum for quite some time. Over the course of that time I've dealt with people who have deliberately plagiarized off of other websites. I've actually had a debate with the copy and paste function of someone's mouse and keyboard. To be quite honest, since we are not in a face to face environment, with convenient credential checking it stands to reason that we should be diligent in what we post and how we post it. The fact is that I have no way of telling whether you are the rightful owner of the material you posted or not. If I see something that is presented on here that is taken from another website it infuriates me because I do put forth a lot of effort to come up with original content and to have an original debate. With that being said, I do not have a problem with quoting certain references, linking to certain websites, and giving credit where credit is due. Although I am inclined to believe you in that you are indeed the rightful owner of the website, I have no means of verifying that. It'd be kind of like me saying I'm the owner of this particular website.

Now, I'm not a moderator, and I feel as if I'm overstepping my boundaries a bit here, but there is a sticky at the top of this forum and other forums specifically stating that we are responsible for reading it. It does deal with plagiarism specifically. On top of that, the terms and agreements by which you created your username also mentions things of that nature.

To say that I have zero tolerance for plagiarism is an understatement. Sorry if I jumped the gun on you, but the fact remains that even had I privately messaged you it wouldn't have verified anything at all. Let's keep everyone honest here and if we have something from other websites or sources we should make a good, solid effort to give credit where credit is due (even if it's our own ramblings and musings from our own sites).

Hopefully you'll see my point in all of this?

Thanks,

GCSTroop
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Old 03-31-2008, 02:01 PM
 
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A god that doesn't make sense is just a construct of a muddled up mind
A God that made perfect sense to the creation wouldn't be much of a God.

All created things live in a separate understanding of that which created them.

This is a very telling statement you made here.

It's like cars asking themselves where the human's gas tanks are.....or computers making the inquiry on where our power cords are.

Comparing the Creator to the creation is apples and hinge pins (oranges is still too close).

While we are made in His image, He is outside our complete understanding. Thankfully, He has made Himself just close enough to be personal but I stand in awe of His majesty and glory.
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Old 03-31-2008, 02:06 PM
 
Location: An absurd world.
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A God that made perfect sense to the creation wouldn't be much of a God.
There is no logical reasoning behind that statement. It's just convenient for your argument.
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