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You're a fine one saying I'm trying to muddy the waters when it's obvious you're trying to muddy the Mississippi. Why don't you quote the entire thing in context as fundies love to say:
You didn't, why should I?
It's clear as crystal that these two verses are the same event. So Jesus comes with the angels in the glory of yahweh and judges the world and everyone can see it, including some of the apostles standing there. And you're going to try to convince us this was him going into heaven???? Check Biblehub. 20 translations and not a single one uses "into" his kingdom. They're all "in" his kingdom. So who's trying to mislead who?????
Those verses are not about Jesus return to earth . They are about Him returning to heaven.
Jesus never came. Clearly Jesus was crazy as a loon--someone with delusion of grandeur thinking he was so important he'd be riding the clouds with his Father and the angels coming to earth to judge the world.
It is amazing how the secular fundies in this forum like to make stupid remarks they can't support. You don't even have the contest right.
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[Now please don't try to con us with "He was talking about the end times when missionaries are preaching over the entire earth." Clearly this is directed to his disciples traveling over Israel after he sends them out to preach.
It was given to His disciples at that time, bur it certainly was not limited to them.
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This one didn't happen either. Truthfully, the asylums are full of people who think they'll ride the clouds to judge the world.
Jesus was clearly a false prophet.
The asylums are full of people who make statements they can't support and they think being insulting, will convince people they are right. When you have to resort to insults, it reveals your lack of understanding. When you insult the deity of someone's religion it is bigotry. Thanks for revealing your true character.
Your links didn't work for me, but they are not necessary to understand that passage.
Well, no, but you DID say he was misrepresenting scripture, in this case the one about when people would see the Son of Man come into His kingdom if I recall correctly, and it WAS a pretty specious argument.
No. Allegories are based on literal events. That is what makes them an allegory. instead of a parable, metaphor or some other type of figurative language.
The idea that it was talking about Jesus going INTO Heaven and judging the people on earth, and making it depend on a point of view different from the writer OR his audience.
To sort of get a picture of one developmental element of the Essene traditions?
Again......why should we care? Why do YOU care? You have demonstrated repeatedly that your view of Jesus and the Bible has nothing to do with context or historical accuracy.
Again......why should we care? Why do YOU care? You have demonstrated repeatedly that your view of Jesus and the Bible has nothing to do with context or historical accuracy.
Hehe. You said "bible" and "historical accuracy" in the same sentence. Heheh.
What I find interesting, is that christians say its all about faith...have faith, but if you look at the apostles and disciples of Jesus when he walked the earth, faith was not enough for them, not by a long shot, they were constantly asking Jesus to perform miracles, or do something no one else could do.
In other words, even the people that knew Jesus personally, had to see proof he was who he claimed to be, faith alone was not enough.
True, but I think the point of showing that...was to illustrate to us that we should have faith and not do as they did. The story of the apostles was a warning. You see how the Israelites kept making the same mistakes over and over and over again. Generation after generation. The book is trying to teach you...make a difference choice.
Kingdom of heaven give us a clue as to where this kingdom is.
As does Matthew. Different kingdom.
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I don't see where you see a false prophecy in 10:23. BE specific,
It says there will be people who were listening to Jesus would still be alive when he returns. Not goes to heaven as you pretend, but 'comes' back from heaven. Which can only be the second century AD, AT THE LATEST.
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Those verses are not about the past, they are about the future.
It's clear as crystal that these two verses are the same event. So Jesus comes with the angels in the glory of yahweh and judges the world and everyone can see it, including some of the apostles standing there. And you're going to try to convince us this was him going into heaven???? Check Biblehub. 20 translations and not a single one uses "into" his kingdom. They're all "in" his kingdom. So who's trying to mislead who?????
Those verses are not about Jesus return to earth . They are about Him returning to heaven.
It is amazing how the secular fundies in this forum like to make stupid remarks they can't support. You don't even have the contest right.
It was given to His disciples at that time, bur it certainly was not limited to them.
The asylums are full of people who make statements they can't support and they think being insulting, will convince people they are right. When you have to resort to insults, it reveals your lack of understanding. When you insult the deity of someone's religion it is bigotry. Thanks for revealing your true character.
Your links didn't work for me, but they are not necessary to understand that passage.
The links didn't work for you because you didn't want them to. It's a horrible thing for a fundamentalist to see the truth come shining through the window and blinding them. I'll put the verse down for others to read in context and let them decide if it's about Jesus returning to heaven or returning to earth with angels in glory to judge the earth.
Matthew 16:27-28
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For the Son of Man is going to come [back to earth] in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person [on earth] according to their deeds. Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."
The Jesus of the gospels was a loon.
What say others? Is this about Jesus ascending to heaven or returning to earth to judge people's deeds at the Last Judgment? Did it happen or did Jesus fail? If it didn't happen is Jesus a false prophet and a deluded fool with visions of grandeur?
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