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treemoni is doing what all apologists do when confront with reality: try to find a way to wiggle around the truth by obfuscating the meaning of "dating". Like you say, troutdude when someone says "Some of you will still be alive when I return" and we know logically that humans can only live to 100 years back then and it's the year 30 CE we know we're talking about 130 CE at the latest for Jesus to return. That's unambiguous. But it serves treemoni's purpose to try to muddy the waters on this clear goof Jesus made. He wasn't the Messiah or divine or anything of the sort.
No wonder you think it is false, you misquoted the verse. It does not say when He returns.
Here is the verse: Truly I say to you, there are some standing here who will not tasted death until they see the Son of Man coming into His kingdom. Mt 16:28
Acts 1:9 - And after he has said these things , He was lifted up while they were still looking on, and a cloud received Him out of their sight.
At that time His kingdom was not on earth, it was in heaven. To those still alive and looking on, Jesus was going, but to God, He was coming into His heavenly kingdom.
You said you mentioned 2 false prophecies Jesus made. I couldn't find he other one, but if you will post it to me, I will also explain to you why it was not false.
Your purpose is try to muddy the waters calling something false you don't understand.
Jesus has been labeled a false prophet. On five occasions he incorrectly dated his return in the clouds to the end of the 1st century. That alone should disqualify him from being divine. Christians try to gloss over it by saying he was talking figuratively and not literally, but then out of the other side of their mouths they say everything in the Bible is to be taken literally. I wish they'd make up their minds.
Nowhere does Jesus say He will return to the end of he first century. He says in Mk 13:32, But of the day or hour no one knows, not even the angels, nor the Son, but the Father alone.
This disqualifies you from trying to interpret the Scriptures, and I didn't say it was figurative did I did I?
I wish you would study the Scripture instead of making stuff up.
The only people saying the bible is literal are atheists and fundamentals, same thing.
You have accepted the definition of fundamentalism from the secular fundies. True fundamentalist, and I am one, does not insist the Bible is all literal. We only insist it is all true. For one thing Gal 4:24 says the story of Sarah and Hagar is an allegory. Allegories are not literal.
No wonder you think it is false, you misquoted the verse. It does not say when He returns.
Here is the verse: Truly I say to you, there are some standing here who will not tasted death until they see the Son of Man coming into His kingdom. Mt 16:28
Acts 1:9 - And after he has said these things , He was lifted up while they were still looking on, and a cloud received Him out of their sight.
At that time His kingdom was not on earth, it was in heaven. To those still alive and looking on, Jesus was going, but to God, He was coming into His heavenly kingdom.
You said you mentioned 2 false prophecies Jesus made. I couldn't find he other one, but if you will post it to me, I will also explain to you why it was not false.
Your purpose is try to muddy the waters calling something false you don't understand.
As usual you misrepresent. Acts makes no mention of the kingdom, you are just using that to read what you want into a text that says the exact opposite.
27 For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done. 28 “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
Looking at Jewish texts of that time, such as the Dead Sea scrolls, the idea of that time was that Paradise was going to be restored on earth. Matthew 10:23 makes this clear (unless you want to introduce a contradiction in your Bible).
The text is talking about the alleged return of Jesus that did not happen.
Nowhere does Jesus say He will return to the end of he first century. He says in Mk 13:32, But of the day or hour no one knows, not even the angels, nor the Son, but the Father alone.
He does in Matthew, as demonstrated in the above post.
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Originally Posted by omega2xx
This disqualifies you from trying to interpret the Scriptures, and I didn't say it was figurative did I did I?
I wish you would study the Scripture instead of making stuff up.
That is funny, I was just going to same the same thing.
Your purpose is try to muddy the waters calling something false you don't understand.
Honestly, I'm on the fence over whether they do this purposely. It's fascinating to watch people completely ignore reality and instead run with whatever narrative they've cemented in their mind. There is no reasoning with that.
Honestly, I'm on the fence over whether they do this purposely. It's fascinating to watch people completely ignore reality and instead run with whatever narrative they've cemented in their mind. There is no reasoning with that.
You've just described omega, yourself, and all fundies who think god is in a book.
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