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Well, well, well.... Humans are all the same no matter when. So in Yeshua times, there were Jews and there were Jews and there were Jews. There was plenty of variety in religious sects among them, with two clearly mentioned in the Bible - Sadducee and Pharisee. There was more than that. So blanket stating "Jews were" is outright wrong. Rabbi Finkel will even tell you that, Jews didn't kill Yeshua - Sadducee did. And that they were sinners and abomination on Jews. So it sorta depends who you listen to, as usual.
As of Yeshua... In, alleged, His words:
KJ21
“Think not that I am come to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
ASV
Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfil.
AMP
“Do not think that I came to do away with or undo the Law [of Moses] or the [writings of the] Prophets; I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.
That in mind, Yeshua was himself as much a Jew, as any one of them then. He was a righteous religious man in THEIR THEN faith. He clearly indicated that He came to fulfill the Law and Prophecy. That being one of the Judaism.
The rest, as usual, is interpretations and translations, build upon themselves through centuries of what people wanted to believe into. Maybe it's not a bad idea to go to the source itself, instead of following those?
I think I may have a basic idea of what’s the Judaism take on Jesus so I am not interested in that. The questions are respectfully asked from our Christian members for my own knowledge.
1 - OK, Jesus is a Jew, his mother is a Jew and I think his disciples are also Jews, but according to modern day Christian theology, ALL Jews are going to hell because they don’t believe in Jesus to be the God, God’s son and the only Messiah. As we all hear, “Jesus is THE ONLY way.”
How does this work? Looks like a Jew (Jesus) is responsible for sending rest of the Jews to hell. Can a person of Christian faith explain this?
2 - What exactly the Jews of Jesus era should have ideally done, or what were they supposed to do?
Leave Judaism and Convert to Christianity? But how? Jesus never said he was a Christian. He was already a Jew.
So from a Christianity point of view, what was the salvation process for the Jews of Jesus era?
Jews didn't need a betrothal to a Jew to be a Jew, Jews don't have to marry a Jew to be redeemed into Israel, they are Israel. Gentiles are grafted through a promise to the Gentiles of the Northern kingdom of the lost ten tribes if they come as virgins to accept a betrothal to a Jew to be redeemed into Israel. Elijah was not sent to Jews, John the Baptist was not sent to Jews. Elijah went against Israel, Not Judah, and Elijah went against Israel because they divided themselves from Judah, from Jerusalem and from God.
Elijah went against the ten tribes of Israel, NOT JUDAH, Elijah stood before God and said,'' Lord, I am the only member of the house of Israel who isn't involved in paganism.'' The spirit of Elijah is against paganism.
Jews are already God's people, Jesus came to offer a betrothal to Gentiles to join the chosen people, not to replace them. Gentiles are only redeemed in to Israel when they convert to the religion of God. Modern Christianity is not under the covenant of Messiah anymore, the point was for Gentiles and Jews to become one, Gentiles no longer join Jews because they refuse to take hold of the covenant and he way to take hold of the covenant is in Isaiah 56. Gentiles are grafted through the lost ten tribes, and the lost ten tribes were lost because they involved themselves in paganism, and God ended them, the only way Gentiles can come back to be adopted into Israel is to repent of their paganism, accept the Sabbaths and feasts of God, and they must reject all paganism, and lawlessness.
Jesus told us about the law and lawlessness showing people who disrespected the law where he calls them the least in the kingdom of heaven, he showed us people saying,'' But Jesus, Jesus, we taught your name in the streets and did miracles in your name.''
If it was all about just saying Jesus, then Jesus wouldn't have sent those people to the outer court of darkness.
''Depart from me, you workers of lawlessness, I never knew you.''
They just claimed Jesus without being in the covenant.
He was punished for all of our sin.
Isaiah 53:5
"But he was pierced for our transgressions;
he was crushed for our iniquities;
upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace,
and with his wounds we are healed."
Let's say, purely for the sake of argument, that it were true that God needed to punish Jesus for everyone else's sin. How does that "obtain righteousness" for you or anyone else?
His own masochism appeased a jealous multi-personality god. That or human sacrifice of himself. Or assisted suicide of himself. Appeasement and gratification is the general crux of it, I guess.
They also think jealousy and wrath are love... I guess Satan loves greatly. Loves God too. Indeed convoluted and bizarre, its hard to imagine what sort of "worse" stuff their genetic predecessors (ancient pagans and ancient Jews) were coming up with.
"I am a jealous god" jealous of rocks and carvings.
"My procrastination and patience are drawn-out, but my wrath is severe"
His own masochism appeased a jealous multi-personality god. That or human sacrifice of himself. Or assisted suicide of himself. Appeasement and gratification is the general crux of it, I guess.
It is appointed for everyone to die, it is a book of instruction to die. If anyone is to step foot in the Zoe kingdom, they have to get they head cut off.
I think I may have a basic idea of what’s the Judaism take on Jesus so I am not interested in that. The questions are respectfully asked from our Christian members for my own knowledge.
1 - OK, Jesus is a Jew, his mother is a Jew and I think his disciples are also Jews, but according to modern day Christian theology, ALL Jews are going to hell because they don’t believe in Jesus to be the God, God’s son and the only Messiah. As we all hear, “Jesus is THE ONLY way.”
How does this work? Looks like a Jew (Jesus) is responsible for sending rest of the Jews to hell. Can a person of Christian faith explain this?
2 - What exactly the Jews of Jesus era should have ideally done, or what were they supposed to do?
Leave Judaism and Convert to Christianity? But how? Jesus never said he was a Christian. He was already a Jew.
So from a Christianity point of view, what was the salvation process for the Jews of Jesus era?
The salvation of our entire species has always been the same - at least ONE of us had to achieve the spiritual development and maturity to perfectly Love (Agape) ALL of us no matter what the circumstances, trials, tribulations, or vicissitudes of life brought. None of us had even remotely achieved that level of Agape especially under the extreme conditions of scourging and crucifixion. Prior to Jesus, we had not evolved the level of control over our baser urges necessary, even with the motivation to control under a fear of God. Fear of God was only the beginning of wisdom and the ability to control. It has nothing to do with being a Jew or being any other designation.
Fear exists as a motivation for the avoidance of pain and the preservation of our survival, so it naturally breaks down as a motive when those threats are maximized. It is the motivation of Agape (Love) that exceeds and replaces the fear motive and overcomes the circumstances of even scourging and crucifixion unto death. I dare say few if any of us even today have evolved and developed the spiritual maturity to attain that level of love in our character and to transcend completely the fear motive. Fortunately, while that is the Ideal, only one of our species was required to achieve such perfection to connect ALL human consciousness to the perfect love of God. That is how Jesus is the ONLY Way to God.
This is why Jesus instructed His disciples to love God and each other every day and to repent (change their state of mind) when they didn't. It is the altered state of mind (Agape) that places us under the perfect love of God and Jesus (Grace) so that our personal imperfections become irrelevant. Our state of mind IS our character (spiritual body) that will endure and be born again upon our death. We will join Jesus and God as newborn infant Spirits to begin the next stage of life. We do not need to be completely mature adult Spirits before our death, just sufficiently mature to become a newborn Spirit with the right character (spiritual body). That state of mind (character) is Agape.
Not all Jews are lost to God , as many Jew who went to Abraham bosom which was a heaven were they waited till Jesus came so all these people saved from the house of Isaac that were obedient in love with God would be now with Jesus in heaven , as the heaven of Abraham bosom would be closed down by God after the cross of Christ .............. Then there are the Messianic Jews who adopted Jesus as their savior and became Christian Jews ..............Then we Have Jesus Christ who was a Jew BUT became the first Christian and founder of Christianity who is the first of the dead to be raised up and brought into Heaven Through the God of Abraham, Isaac , and Jacob .... Where Jesus became the redeemer for Christianity
Thank you for elaborating - this clears up a few things and my knowledge has increased. I may or may not agree with it but I don’t have any criticism or any objection to it. It’s all your faith and respectful to me.
So perhaps I won’t be mistaken if we briefly discuss Moses in the light of above and consider that Moses is also part of Abraham bosom, and so were all the Jews who were obidient to Moses. They are all blessed.
And hence, from the Christian theological point of view, only those Jews are in trouble who didn’t convert to Christianity AFTER the arrival of Jesus?
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