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Originally Posted by hljc
Not all Jews are lost to God , as many Jew who went to Abraham bosom which was a heaven were they waited till Jesus came so all these people saved from the house of Isaac that were obedient in love with God would be now with Jesus in heaven , as the heaven of Abraham bosom would be closed down by God after the cross of Christ .............. Then there are the Messianic Jews who adopted Jesus as their savior and became Christian Jews ..............Then we Have Jesus Christ who was a Jew BUT became the first Christian and founder of Christianity who is the first of the dead to be raised up and brought into Heaven Through the God of Abraham, Isaac , and Jacob .... Where Jesus became the redeemer for Christianity
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Originally Posted by Richard1965
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Originally Posted by Hannibal Flavius
Yeah, that was pretty lame.
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Indeed,
the first Christian was Saul of Tarsus, a.k.a. "Late Disciple" "Apostle" Paul, a Jewish man who was a Romanized Pharisee Jew. Jewish Jesus was the Jewish/Whole-World Christ he followed. It was Paul who told his fellow Jewish/Goyim-welcoming cult members that they didn't have to follow Jewish ritualistic laws, and that they could allow others to call them "Christians" which in Roman times would have been an insult to a religion by politicizing it (giving a religion the connotation of a political party "ian" in order to make it seem "unpatriotic"). Originally, the Romans were calling the Christians (or
"Nazarenes" as they often called themselves first) "atheos"
meaning "athiest" because unlike most Jews, these Christians did not want the worship of "other gods" even outside of traditional Jewish lands.
Jesus can still be considered the "founder" of Christianity because none of his other, actual real-time, disciples were as capable as "late disciple" Paul at gathering masses of converts, nor were they able or willing to completely ostracize Paul, who was raking in a lot of money for the Jesus cult/church at Jerusalem.
Furthermore, it might be hard to assume that Jesus was the first of the dead to be raised up, since there is a beloved story gathered into the Christian canon that Jesus raised Lazarus. Furthermore, Jesus said that Yahweh was not a God of the Dead, and that thus Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were alive (either as thoughts/memories of God, or as living incorporeal/firey/airy spirits much like the angels).
Also, there is a story about the mean rich man and poor Lazarus dying and no-Judgement but a simple being carried away by angels upon death (not upon bodily resurrection) to their destinations. The rich man asks the still-living spirit of Abraham for help, and Abraham says there is a chasm, not a judgment.
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Originally Posted by Hannibal Flavius
It is appointed for everyone to die, it is a book of instruction to die. If anyone is to step foot in the Zoe kingdom, they have to get they head cut off.
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