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I think I may have a basic idea of what’s the Judaism take on Jesus so I am not interested in that. The questions are respectfully asked from our Christian members for my own knowledge.
1 - OK, Jesus is a Jew, his mother is a Jew and I think his disciples are also Jews, but according to modern day Christian theology, ALL Jews are going to hell because they don’t believe in Jesus to be the God, God’s son and the only Messiah. As we all hear, “Jesus is THE ONLY way.”
How does this work? Looks like a Jew (Jesus) is responsible for sending rest of the Jews to hell. Can a person of Christian faith explain this?
2 - What exactly the Jews of Jesus era should have ideally done, or what were they supposed to do?
Leave Judaism and Convert to Christianity? But how? Jesus never said he was a Christian. He was already a Jew.
So from a Christianity point of view, what was the salvation process for the Jews of Jesus era?
Not all Jews are lost to God , as many Jew who went to Abraham bosom which was a heaven were they waited till Jesus came so all these people saved from the house of Isaac that were obedient in love with God would be now with Jesus in heaven , as the heaven of Abraham bosom would be closed down by God after the cross of Christ .............. Then there are the Messianic Jews who adopted Jesus as their savior and became Christian Jews ..............Then we Have Jesus Christ who was a Jew BUT became the first Christian and founder of Christianity who is the first of the dead to be raised up and brought into Heaven Through the God of Abraham, Isaac , and Jacob .... Where Jesus became the redeemer for Christianity
not all jews are lost to god , as many jew who went to abraham bosom which was a heaven were they waited till jesus came so all these people saved from the house of isaac that were obedient in love with god would be now with jesus in heaven , as the heaven of abraham bosom would be closed down by god after the cross of christ .............. Then there are the messianic jews who adopted jesus as their savior and became christian jews ..............then we have jesus christ who was a jew but became the first christian and founder of christianity who is the first of the dead to be raised up and brought into heaven through the god of abraham, isaac , and jacob .... Where jesus became the redeemer for christianity
I think I may have a basic idea of what’s the Judaism take on Jesus so I am not interested in that. The questions are respectfully asked from our Christian members for my own knowledge.
1 - OK, Jesus is a Jew, his mother is a Jew and I think his disciples are also Jews, but according to modern day Christian theology, ALL Jews are going to hell because they don’t believe in Jesus to be the God, God’s son and the only Messiah. As we all hear, “Jesus is THE ONLY way.”
How does this work? Looks like a Jew (Jesus) is responsible for sending rest of the Jews to hell. Can a person of Christian faith explain this?
2 - What exactly the Jews of Jesus era should have ideally done, or what were they supposed to do?
Leave Judaism and Convert to Christianity? But how? Jesus never said he was a Christian. He was already a Jew.
So from a Christianity point of view, what was the salvation process for the Jews of Jesus era?
1 - That is not the truth in the theology of all Christian sects, which I think you know, or should know, but I think it bears repeating since you stated it as if it were a blanket fact about Christianity.
2 - God doesn't have a "process". That is a human construct, as are all the human divisions such as those that you demonstrate in your post above. Jesus taught that we are all of value and able to connect with God and that God is the embodiment of Love in its purest form.
You will get different answers from members of other Christian sects, of course.
I think I may have a basic idea of what’s the Judaism take on Jesus so I am not interested in that. The questions are respectfully asked from our Christian members for my own knowledge.
1 - OK, Jesus is a Jew, his mother is a Jew and I think his disciples are also Jews, but according to modern day Christian theology, ALL Jews are going to hell because they don’t believe in Jesus to be the God, God’s son and the only Messiah. As we all hear, “Jesus is THE ONLY way.”
How does this work? Looks like a Jew (Jesus) is responsible for sending rest of the Jews to hell. Can a person of Christian faith explain this?
Read the OT. Not all Jews were faithful. Romans talks about not all Israel will be saved -- but only the ones that believe in the promise given to Abraham, including the Messiah to come.
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2 - What exactly the Jews of Jesus era should have ideally done, or what were they supposed to do?
Leave Judaism and Convert to Christianity? But how? Jesus never said he was a Christian. He was already a Jew.
So from a Christianity point of view, what was the salvation process for the Jews of Jesus era?
Yes. The Jews that did believe in Jesus were saved. They trusted in what Jesus did on the cross to obtain righteousness for them.
Read the OT. Not all Jews were faithful. Romans talks about not all Israel will be saved -- but only the ones that believe in the promise given to Abraham, including the Messiah to come.
Yes. The Jews that did believe in Jesus were saved. They trusted in what Jesus did on the cross to obtain righteousness for them.
What exactly do you think Jesus "did on the cross" that "obtained righteousness" for anyone?
What exactly do you think Jesus "did on the cross" that "obtained righteousness" for anyone?
He was punished for all of our sin.
Isaiah 53:5
"But he was pierced for our transgressions;
he was crushed for our iniquities;
upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace,
and with his wounds we are healed."
He was punished for all of our sin.
Isaiah 53:5
"But he was pierced for our transgressions;
he was crushed for our iniquities;
upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace,
and with his wounds we are healed."
Let's say, purely for the sake of argument, that it were true that God needed to punish Jesus for everyone else's sin. How does that "obtain righteousness" for you or anyone else?
I think I may have a basic idea of what’s the Judaism take on Jesus so I am not interested in that. The questions are respectfully asked from our Christian members for my own knowledge.
1 - OK, Jesus is a Jew, his mother is a Jew and I think his disciples are also Jews, but according to modern day Christian theology, ALL Jews are going to hell because they don’t believe in Jesus to be the God, God’s son and the only Messiah. As we all hear, “Jesus is THE ONLY way.”
How does this work? Looks like a Jew (Jesus) is responsible for sending rest of the Jews to hell. Can a person of Christian faith explain this?
2 - What exactly the Jews of Jesus era should have ideally done, or what were they supposed to do?
Leave Judaism and Convert to Christianity? But how? Jesus never said he was a Christian. He was already a Jew.
So from a Christianity point of view, what was the salvation process for the Jews of Jesus era?
1) Jesus is a Jew because he fulfills OT prophecy which states the messiah will be Jewish and from the line of David. The gospel is for both gentile and Jew - whoever has ears to hear. Jesus didn't come into the world to condemn the world, but to save it (John 3 : 17)
2) They should have recieved the message of the gospel - that every single person who has ever lived, is living, and will ever live (apart from Jesus himself) is a broken sinner and has no merit to get into Heaven on their own standing - but that it's ok because by receiving Christ into one's heart and trusting in faith that God raised him from the dead, that person will be saved (Romans 10 : 9 - 10)
In fact, this was true of every Jew who ever lived. They falsely believed that their righteousness was based on works, and not faith. That's the error of the Jew. They believe that by obeying and keeping every command God has ever given, that they will achieve righteosness in God's eyes. Jesus came to show that NOBODY can attain righteousness in God's eyes because nobody can adhere to the law. The purpose of the law was to show that we're all deficient, not that we can maintain it. Righteousness in God's eyes has always been based on faith, and the Jews living in Jesus' time refused to acknowledge this
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