Atheists' attacks on the "foolishness" of Christianity are misguided

[Harry Diogenes]

Originally Posted by ComeCloser

Im not following, sorry.

Paul did not write the Revelation, John did.

I never said Paul wrote Revelation. I was listing people who wrote things down. Paul, the author of Revelations was another, Clement was a third, usw.

Originally Posted by ComeCloser

John wrote the Revelation in A.D. 43-47.

Wait, did you not say no one wrote close to the date of his existence?

And an interesting early date. From Christian 'history', perhaps?

Originally Posted by ComeCloser

Why would anyone start at the end, especially when it is an end that has not come to pass yet?

Now it is I who is not following.

Originally Posted by ComeCloser

As for Pliney, if he wrote the Who's Who of A.D. 61, obviously Jesus did not make the cut.

So Jesus was a hot topic, then almost everyone forgot about him?

[ComeCloser]

Originally Posted by Harry Diogenes

I never said Paul wrote Revelation. I was listing people who wrote things down. Paul, the author of Revelations was another, Clement was a third, usw.



Wait, did you not say no one wrote close to the date of his existence?

And an interesting early date. From Christian 'history', perhaps?



Now it is I who is not following.



So Jesus was a hot topic, then almost everyone forgot about him?

There is no Revelations - only the Revelation a.k.a the Apocalypse or the Revelation to John or the Apocalypse of John. The end in not plural - the Revelation is a vision that means the party is over. Boom! Out of time.

43 to 47 years after his death may seem close but its actually closer to 2 generations away from the time Christ existed.


Thank you for clearing that up. The way it was written it looked like you might be saying Paul was the author of the Revelation.

Millions of people worldwide worship him today. If he was forgotten, and not 'underground' for a while, when was he rediscovered do you imagine?

[nateswift]

Originally Posted by ComeCloser

There is no Revelations - only the Revelation a.k.a the Apocalypse or the Revelation to John or the Apocalypse of John. The end in not plural - the Revelation is a vision that means the party is over. Boom! Out of time.

43 to 47 years after his death may seem close but its actually closer to 2 generations away from the time Christ existed.


Thank you for clearing that up. The way it was written it looked like you might be saying Paul was the author of the Revelation.

Millions of people worldwide worship him today. If he was forgotten, and not 'underground' for a while, when was he rediscovered do you imagine?

1. standard grammar nazi "Revelations" is a common error and everyone knows it refers to the Book of Revelation however the s is in error.

2 "AD" refers to "Anno Domini" or "Year of our Lord" meaning after the birth of Jesus, not "After Death." Now I understand your strange dating for Revelation.

3. Yes, common English usage is easy to misunderstand for those not reading carefully.

4. A worthwhile point if you consider that the spectacular events included within the portrayal of the ministry of Jesus were just legendary elements accrued to MAKE it seem spectacular instead of merely revolutionary.

[ComeCloser]

Originally Posted by nateswift

1. standard grammar nazi "Revelations" is a common error and everyone knows it refers to the Book of Revelation however the s is in error.

2 "AD" refers to "Anno Domini" or "Year of our Lord" meaning after the birth of Jesus, not "After Death." Now I understand your strange dating for Revelation.

3. Yes, common English usage is easy to misunderstand for those not reading carefully.

4. A worthwhile point if you consider that the spectacular events included within the portrayal of the ministry of Jesus were just legendary elements accrued to MAKE it seem spectacular instead of merely revolutionary.

Do you normally go around explaining what Harry means, lol? I was under the impression he spoke English rather well.


I have to go now. Will try to catch up this evening. Have fiun all!

[Harry Diogenes]

Originally Posted by ComeCloser

There is no Revelations - only the Revelation a.k.a the Apocalypse or the Revelation to John or the Apocalypse of John. The end in not plural - the Revelation is a vision that means the party is over. Boom! Out of time.

In my second mention, some German grammar slipped in. You know what Genitives are like, always causing trouble.

Originally Posted by ComeCloser

43 to 47 years after his death may seem close but its actually closer to 2 generations away from the time Christ existed.

43 to 47 AD would be 10 to 17 years after his alleged death.

Originally Posted by ComeCloser

Millions of people worldwide worship him today. If he was forgotten, and not 'underground' for a while, when was he rediscovered do you imagine?

As most of our Christian history is from the the middle of the second century AD or later, I would say sometime around then, ± 20 years.

Originally Posted by ComeCloser

Do you normally go around explaining what Harry means, lol? I was under the impression he spoke English rather well.

Thank you. I always worry that my English is not good.

[nateswift]

Originally Posted by ComeCloser

Do you normally go around explaining what Harry means, lol? I was under the impression he spoke English rather well.


I have to go now. Will try to catch up this evening. Have fiun all!

Harry DOES speak English very well and intelligent people understand him easily. Now consider the alternative.

[TRANSPONDER]

I was looking for Dark Matter's vid on a person's relationship with God where the never ending Divine CCTV becomes a bit of a pain after a while, and I found this where the point is almist made that is an Arq Atheist Axiom: "There are many religions; there is only one science."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0A_iF1B3k0

[mensaguy]

This thread has drifted so far from the OP that it hardly seems like the same topic any longer.

Closed.