Born again Christian ? (atheist, bible, quote, marriage)
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So what is someone who is a Christian but not yet a “born again Christian”?
I mean, to go to heaven a Christian person must be a born again Christian or it’s not a condition to go to heaven, in Christian theology?
So what is someone who is a Christian but not yet a “born again Christian”?
I mean, to go to heaven a Christian person must be a born again Christian or it’s not a condition to go to heaven, in Christian theology?
The term,'' The kingdom of heaven,'' is used to speak of 3 sections, and there is the higher kingdom known as the Zoe Kingdom where few will ever enter because you have to take the narrow way, and this Narrow way is standing in the Holy place looking at the Holy of Holies but there is no door into the Holy of Holies in the Tabernacle, a priest would have had to squeeze and scrape past a 400 pound veil that closed off the Holy of holies and so it is called the narrow way having no door.
It can be said of me,'' Hannibal will never enter into the kingdom of heaven without insinuating that I am not saved.
We can say,'' Hannibal will never enter into the ZOE kingdom, and yet we can still say that Hannibal is still in the kingdom.
I don't believe I will make it into the Zoe Kingdom and there will be few who find the way, and yet, I have all the faith in the world knowing that I am still in the kingdom. We see people coming into the kingdom of heaven to then be escorted out of the kingdom, but they are only escorted out to a different section as there are 3 sections of the temple.
There are two words for the word,'' Life,'' one is AMAZING FREAKING LIFE,'' But the other word for life used in the Zoe life is ABUDANT LIFE and it is even greater than Amazing freaking life, it is ZOE life, and yet there is still the court........What Jesus is showing is that everyone thinks and assumes that they will just walk in and take all the most important seats in the kingdom, and many who are saved will stroll into the Zoe Kingdom when the girl at the door will snatch their arms to escort them to a different section of the temple, it doesn't mean hell, but if you are sent to the outer court, it means you will weep and gnash your teeth because you had come into the zoe kingdom, and now you are in a lesser kingdom, and this shows the type of resurrection body you will have, and your place amongst the people of the 3 sections...All the people who are in the Holy place and the Holy of Holies are priests, and priests must have their own flocks.
You should try and get past all the pre concieved ideas taught by a Christianity that rejected everything that taught of Messiah. All those scriptures of hell are all speaking about Shemini Atzeret and 3 types of afterlifes. We are shown in Hebrews 8 that the temple is built in 3 sections to teach you of 3 different after lives. The broad way is in fact the outer court of Gentiles where Jesus sends the lawless who despise the law, they say,'' Jesus, Jesus,'' but they don't know him because he is the law, and he calls them the lawless sons of iniquity....
These people like myself, we are all headed to the outer court of darkness where there is still salvation in the broad way but you are standing in the court of Gentiles because you had the chance of adoption into Israel but did not take it, and being in the court tells you what kind of afterlife you will have, being in the court tells you the body you will have.......
There are also two sections of the temple proper where there are priests and high priests, and all these people are measured by the counting of the people of those two sections while the people in the outer court are not counted.
The only people allowed within the two sections of the Temple are Judah and Ephraim, and modern Christianity is neither Judah or Ephraim although Gentiles are offered a betrothal to Judah to become one people, that is not who Christians are today. In the beginning, Gentiles became one people with Jews in the same religion, they came through a betrothal and adoption tobecome co heirs but this has not been true for 2000 years now, Christians stopped coming under the covenant of Christ when they stopped conveting to Judaism.
Remember this, the works of all men will be tested by fire and some rare people will stand in the flames and not burn because they are standing in an immortal body, and they are rewarded standing there in the flames smiling because heat can no longer hurt them, they have become the temple of Revelation themselves.
Then there is everyone else, the great majority of mankind like myself, even I will stand in the flames like you, and I do expect to burn in the flames, AND YET, I AM STILL SAVED JUST AS IT STATES, THAT EVEN IF MY WORKS ARE BURN, I MYSELF WILL BE SAVED BUT ONLY AS ONE WHO HAS GONE THROUGH A FIRE.
Born again Christianity is the mystical version of Christianity. Most religions have their ordinary conventional version, and also a mystical version. Mysticism is for those who are serious about religion.
Unfortunately, American Born Agains are also dogmatic and have a childish faith in the literal truth of the bible.
The Temple is built in the human anatomy of a virgin that has a wall of separation that keeps her from getting pregnant.
When that great veil, that wall of separation was split, it was showing a consummation where a virgin temple had stood, it had now had a consummation and the seed of this consummation was planted in the Earth as all men have been planted, but this time, the Earth would no longer be a barren woman, and she literally became pregnant to then give birth to her FIRST SON OF MANY SONS TO FOLLOW.
The whole design and purpose of the priesthood can simply be seen by looking at the dress of a priests who is clothed in his seed where his dress is to represent a circumcised phallus trying to get past a wall of separation inside a virgin, and behind that wall of separation was a uterus. For all those years that Temple remained a virgin and how could a virgin possibly give birth?
Everything is about a progressive path to a new birth, it has always been that way, being born again is the whole point.
Being a bride of Christ isn't it the point at all, the point is that the bride bears her bridegroom a son where that son is circumcised, and the circumcision of that son is the point.
Huh? What the? You might be better off hitching a ride on the next comet that passes by (wink).
You don't believe the Tabernacle design is in human anatomy?
It was always the design to show humans as a Temple, you have to take a closer look.
If somebody claims to be the temlple of God and yet they don't know the temple design or the comings and goings of the temple, they can't ever know what they are, what they themselves claim to be, a body and bride of Christ, the temple that houses the spirit in a marriage of flesh and spirit.
No, that’s not what it means...He was telling Nicodemus that he was born from above because he recognized who Jesus was...Read it in context...
I think you need to read it in the first place and not try to find a context that isn't there. Jesus was telling him that for a person to enter the kingdom he must be born from above.
You're right. Born a second time. So again. The first was into Adam, the 2nd time is into the "New Adam".
"Born from above" isn't constrained to mean only "born a second time."
Which is why Christian Anabaptists have historically existed.
They disagreed with those "second time" Catholic fundamentalists who said that once a Christian was baptized they should not be baptized again (some sort of ritualistic insult or something) and the Protestant fundamentalists that said a Catholic baptism by parent didn't count at all even if all participants were Catholic Christians and loved Jesus and were granting a baptism "for" their child.
So what is someone who is a Christian but not yet a “born again Christian”?
I mean, to go to heaven a Christian person must be a born again Christian or it’s not a condition to go to heaven, in Christian theology?
The politics of their heaven is very convoluted at times.
Some say yes, others say no.
We can see that they are as human as any other.
All it means is that they have not hatched out of their eggshell, they haven't found true enlightenment and thus they feel that they need a mother hen to still coddle them, be it a single book to guide the simple/simplified mind or an imaginary presence to fill them with self-assuredness.
Some of them dwell on these mantras to try to forget the seeds they have sown and the roots that have brought them to their current positions.
Some Christians think every "real" Christian is "born from above" for having "truly" become a "real" Christian, so that no Christian needs the extra/already-included title of "reborn in the Spirit".
Others believe that the majority of Christianity is dead and tainted and thus have to outline that they are the "real" Christians because they carry the epithet of "born again." Which also means they believe they have changed from their teenage years or early adulthood (as most humans are bound to do or die).
Jesus said you have to be born again in the Water and Spirit/Wind to go into a heavenly (or?) new kingdom, which to some it meant baptism. Others think just accepting Jesus means they are "born again" and changed from their "worldly" ways of being involved in worldly politics/culture/arts/sciences.
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