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Notice a pattern? parachute into the board, toss out a lot of faith -claims, start wriggling and, when asked to back up their claims, say that the don't need to prove anything.
How long would you estimate before the flounce?
Quite so old sprout. Regarding the flounce. Rather soon the way it's going.
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Originally Posted by TRANSPONDER
Incidentally, you'll probably recall the long debate with Pneuma about Tacitus. One thing that came out was that Procurator and Prefect can be held by the same Roman at the same time, depending on whether they are acting a fiscal official or military. Thus Pilate was called 'prefect' in the inscription and is referring to him military role. So the arguments that the Tacitus passage on Jesus is a forgery because he calls him Procurator doesn't follow. But it does suggest that Tacitus is not (as Pneuma also suggested) looking up reliable records - he's just responding to what the Christians were saying - that Jesus was crucified by the Roman governor, and since they were all 'Procurators' later on, Tacitus though that Pilate was, too.
Of course, at times he might have been Procurator. But the inscription describing him as such hasn't been found yet, so that claim awaits substantiation - like the foundations of 100 1st c houses in Nazareth archaeology needing to turn up before we can suppose there was a synagogue there. Right now, that it even existed other than as a farm or two is not sure.
Not the one you want to have existed...the one depicted in the Bible. There is absolutely no evidence for that one at all, not a scrap.
Allegedly Josephus and Tacitus. Neither hold much weight as verifiable evidence for the Christian man-god. Josephus has likely been tampered with and Tacitus is generally accepted as repeating what he had heard from Christians circulating at the time. Who else do you have?
You don't unless you start doing things like you did above. You have claimed that Jesus was real. Now you need to support your claim with verifiable evidence.
So Spiros. What do you have to support your claim?
So Spiros. What do you have to support your claim?
In Spiro's place, I'd now be typing "The apostles testified to the resurrection. Why else would they die for their faith?" Ready for that one, old ditch-hound?
In Spiro's place, I'd now be typing "The apostles testified to the resurrection. Why else would they die for their faith?" Ready for that one, old ditch-hound?
So Spiros. What do you have to support your claim?
Spiros has been programmed to believe, and has never been confronted with the necessity of needing to defend his/her beliefs. An apologetics style defence of those beliefs is not something he/she is prepared for.
Spiros has been programmed to believe, and has never been confronted with the necessity of needing to defend his/her beliefs. An apologetics style defence of those beliefs is not something he/she is prepared for.
Yes. I think we can all see that, because we have seen the same sort of apolgetics - sequence many times before. The only difference is - instead of derail the thread with different arguments, he starts a new thread.
Yes. I think we can all see that, because we have seen the same sort of apolgetics - sequence many times before. The only difference is - instead of derail the thread with different arguments, he starts a new thread.
Spiros is essentially attempting to preach the Gospel, by using the old tried and ever failing method of pointing to favorded passages in the NT, and expecting them to uphold his/her position. At some point it should begin to dawn on him that most of us here are every bit as knowledgeable of the NT as he his, if not more so. Or her.
Spiros... inform us of your gender.
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