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Old 01-27-2019, 02:03 PM
 
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Is that your way of objecting to that definition? Are you suggesting it is in any way wrong or inappropriate?
You can't fit the Schrodinger's Cat scenario in it?
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Old 01-27-2019, 02:17 PM
 
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You can't fit the Schrodinger's Cat scenario in it?
I take that as you no longer wishing to have a normal conversation with me. For what it's worth, I've enjoyed our little exchange. Have a great day, GoC.
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Old 01-27-2019, 02:34 PM
 
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The point, fishbrains, is that you don't CREDIT any evidence, and you require proof.
To believe in a god, yes I would require proof, or at least a substantial amount of evidence. You are correct, I have not encountered any evidence for the existence of god that I think is creditable. That doesn’t mean I dismiss everything out of hand, simply that so far all I have seen are unsupported stories, theoretical frameworks with no supporting evidence, or items that have many alternate explanations.
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Old 01-27-2019, 02:40 PM
 
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To believe in a god, yes I would require proof, or at least a substantial amount of evidence. You are correct, I have not encountered any evidence for the existence of god that I think is creditable. That doesn’t mean I dismiss everything out of hand, simply that so far all I have seen are unsupported stories, theoretical frameworks with no supporting evidence, or items that have many alternate explanations.
yeah fish, when the discussion gets out of your understanding avoid it.

say this "I have no idea what your talking about and I deny it anyway."

say that to yourself ten times.

you bought into the "don't give them a springboard" dogma didn't ya? and don't kid yourself, its dogma.
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Old 01-27-2019, 04:01 PM
 
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To believe in a god, yes I would require proof, or at least a substantial amount of evidence. You are correct, I have not encountered any evidence for the existence of god that I think is creditable. That doesn’t mean I dismiss everything out of hand, simply that so far all I have seen are unsupported stories, theoretical frameworks with no supporting evidence, or items that have many alternate explanations.
What exactly would you consider credible evidence of God? What are the minimal attributes you would need to see? Is it Godlike to be responsible for everything that exists? Is it Godlike to establish the physical and chemical laws under which everything operates? Is it Godlike to be responsible for the existence of Life or the existence of a survival drive that responds to environmental consequences or the existence of consciousness that is able to contemplate the existence of consequences or anything else?
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Old 01-27-2019, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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To believe in a god, yes I would require proof, or at least a substantial amount of evidence. You are correct, I have not encountered any evidence for the existence of god that I think is creditable. That doesn’t mean I dismiss everything out of hand, simply that so far all I have seen are unsupported stories, theoretical frameworks with no supporting evidence, or items that have many alternate explanations.
I think that's a very fair and fairly concise way of stating what many of us believe.
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Old 01-27-2019, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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What exactly would you consider credible evidence of God? What are the minimal attributes you would need to see? Is it Godlike to be responsible for everything that exists? Is it Godlike to establish the physical and chemical laws under which everything operates? Is it Godlike to be responsible for the existence of Life or the existence of a survival drive that responds to environmental consequences or the existence of consciousness that is able to contemplate the existence of consequences or anything else?
Don't tell me about something that maybe happened 2,000+ years ago. Show me indisputable miracles NOW.

It seems that what you are suggesting in the second half of your posts is that there is a deistic god, rather than a theistic god.

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Old 01-27-2019, 04:12 PM
 
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What exactly would you consider credible evidence of God? What are the minimal attributes you would need to see? Is it Godlike to be responsible for everything that exists? Is it Godlike to establish the physical and chemical laws under which everything operates? Is it Godlike to be responsible for the existence of Life or the existence of a survival drive that responds to environmental consequences or the existence of consciousness that is able to contemplate the existence of consequences or anything else?

mystic, it doesn't matter. he doesn't know what he is talking about and yet thinks he is the one to decide whats real or not. who does that sound like? you know, thunder bolts, beard, and the like? they have absolutely no idea what they are talking either.
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Old 01-27-2019, 04:14 PM
 
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Son't tell me about something that maybe happened 2,000+ years ago. Show me indisputable miracles NOW.

It seems that what you are suggesting in the second half of your posts is that there is a deistic god, rather than a theistic god.
it s not a theist god phet. You claim to be science trained so start acting like it.

we know there is no theist god, so what is there?
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Old 01-27-2019, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Southwestern, USA, now.
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GoCardinals, I thought your op should be a Sticky before you wrote it!
I don't know why people would give you guff from that post.
Makes perfect sense.
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