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I think discussing how the Universe came into existence is very important in religious threads as the evidence we have completely contradicts many holy texts.
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Originally Posted by Tired of the Nonsense
I agree 100%. But I am not a mod.
As long as you DO refer to God and the beliefs you are contradicting and liberally use citations to science sources as links as Matadora does (instead of long discussions here), we should remain within the rules. If our entire Reality is the result of a unified field (what the Grand Unified Theory (GUT) advocates seek), then it is not outrageous to suggest that it could be a consciousness field (which would make it a thinking God as usually conceived) and our physical 4% could be a manifestation of God's imagination within His consciousness. This is not that dissimilar to those theories that suggest our Reality is more like a Great Thought than a physical manifestation (cue Quantum theories ).
As long as you DO refer to God and the beliefs you are contradicting and liberally use citations to science sources as links as Matadora does (instead of long discussions here), we should remain within the rules. If our entire Reality is the result of a unified field (what the Grand Unified Theory (GUT) advocates seek), then it is not outrageous to suggest that it could be a consciousness field (which would make it a thinking God as usually conceived) and our physical 4% could be a manifestation of God's imagination within His consciousness. This is not that dissimilar to those theories that suggest our Reality is more like a Great Thought than a physical manifestation (cue Quantum theories ).
Hey there Mystic,
I am not sure by what you mean "if" our entire Reality is the result of a unified field?
Why do you place human features on your god?
I often wonder about the Universe I exist in. For some odd reason when I am zooming down the freeway or across a long 13 mile bridge that connects the Peninsula to the East Bay here in Northern CA I am always picturing myself on a planet within a galaxy that has a typical barred spiral that's about 100,000 light-years across. I then think about how the solar system travels at an average speed of 515,000 mph.
I think how strange it is that I'm on my motorcycle traveling at super sport high speeds (when I can get away with it ) and yet here I am on this tiny planet that's traveling a gazillion times faster than I am on my motorcycle at super sport speeds. I think how strange it is and why such an arrangement in outer space? Then I come back down to earth and avoid being side swiped or nipped by the "cagers" all around me.
The cager term was coined by motorcyclists to mean a 4 wheeled vehicle with it's driver confined in a cage.
Hey there Mystic,
I am not sure by what you mean "if" our entire Reality is the result of a unified field?
Why do you place human features on your god?
Hi Matadora. The ONLY human feature I place on God is consciousness which is what I believe Jesus and the ancients were referring to when they referred to God as Spirit despite most of Christ's followers being deathly afraid of Spirits.
Show me that something exists outside of the universe from which matter/energy might pass into or out of the universe from. I am not denying the possibility, only requesting the proof. Such proof would be worthy of a Nobel.
Well, maybe I demand that you show me proof that it is not possible anything exists outside the universe; what is it expanding into?
So far as we know, nobody. Failure to respect a confession of 'we don't know' and instead use it as a gap for God does not alter the fact that there is no good reason to suppose that an intelligent being needed to start all this.
First cause has always been the very best Gap for God, after Abiogenesis and Consciousness.
But Abiogenesis is almost closed, Consciousness is closing and the hinges are beginning to creak for First cause, too.
It's the same as the god -claim, ToN. There is no proof either way. Just as nobody really knows whether there is a god or not, nobody knows whether the Universe (indeed the Cosmos) is part of a greater whole.
But, just as the indirect evidence has changed from a clockwork universe looking like it was designed to a rather crazy universe that doesn't, a neat Universe floating in a vacuum has begun to look like there may be a lot of other universes connected by spooky communication and/or different dimensions.
Only indirect evidence, but can't rule it out.
Of course I'm just your average clod in the street, so Matadora will correct me if I got my science wrong.
I always respect: "We don't know." We don't know, but we can formulate ideas. It exists and something caused it, and is causing it to still exist. If you say, the Universe is causing it...more acceptable; but Nothing? this idea of any energy coming from nothing, just because we don't know is nonsense.
Probably mostly *other peoples gods* are not very loving.
Yet Jesus is the nature of his choice, if push comes to shove and he has to have an example...I think I claim I heard Mystic say that a few times...mostly I think he claims that Evil Killer God doesn't exist. And fools go around accusing God of causing whatever they choose to do with their own hands.
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As long as you DO refer to God and the beliefs you are contradicting and liberally use citations to science sources as links as Matadora does (instead of long discussions here), we should remain within the rules. If our entire Reality is the result of a unified field (what the Grand Unified Theory (GUT) advocates seek), then it is not outrageous to suggest that it could be a consciousness field (which would make it a thinking God as usually conceived) and our physical 4% could be a manifestation of God's imagination within His consciousness. This is not that dissimilar to those theories that suggest our Reality is more like a Great Thought than a physical manifestation (cue Quantum theories ).
Mystic, I have asked this twice before, to no avail (apologies if I missed a reply). This will be my third strike, after which I won't bother you further, but I really am interested...
You consistently refer to and capitalize "our Reality," in ways that suggest a meaning that is not obvious to or shared by all. If you please, what exactly do you mean by "Reality," as used above and elsewhere?
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) and yet here I am on this tiny planet that's traveling a gazillion times faster than I am on my motorcycle at super sport speeds. I think how strange it is and why such an arrangement in outer space? Then I come back down to earth and avoid being side swiped or nipped by the "cagers" all around me. 
Calling all Mystics
