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You don't have to. An atheist lacks belief in a deity; it does not follow that an atheist must believe there is no deity. (Certainly there are atheists who do believe there is no deity, but that isn't what makes them atheists).
I'm an agnostic atheist because I don't know if there is a god, or gods, or not. Until there is proof one way or another, I decline to believe.
Thank you. This is interesting to me. And I would have LOVED to watch those chipmunks.
I feel connected to the Earth, nature, and my fellow man. But I don't call that connection "God".
I don’t call my connection to nature “God” either. But I AM deeply connected to the natural world and feel most at home there.
It took the chipmunks about five whole minutes to clean off all the seeds and tomato goo plastered to their face and bodies.......
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1) Well, if you don't give something a chance, then of course it "won't work" or "doesn't work". 2) Claiming oneself to be "divinely inspired" is never necessary. 3) If someone is carrying on with nonsense (that they claim is in the Bible, when it isn't) then of course it won't be right. 4) Ignoring the spiritual realm and saying it doesn't exist could be a lie as well, if it actually does exist. Oh well...
Right both times. Which is why we are 'agnostic' about 'spiritual realms', though agnosticism (not knowing) mandates non -belief (atheism) until you Do know) quite apart from the negative evidence which can't be entirely dismissed as 'argument from silence'.
The other thing you are right about which is what science does give us. And it is, it has to be said, 'evolution' (in the broadest sense - sometimes called "Evilooshun") undermines the bulk of Christian claims from the flood and Ark to the nativity, and from The prophecy of Daniel to the Passover Release custom. That's quite enough for Bible apologists to have to try to make work when it doesn't and I can't imagine the stress levels of someone trying to argue for instance for the resurrection against someone (I have to say with all humility, because most others seem to prefer to argue on the OT and talking donkeys) like me. The denial, the evasion, the excuses, the circular arguments (1) ...I can see why they get angry when under pressure- It's Personal for them. I can even see (because it's Personal for them) why they will leave their Religion pinned down under heavy fire and save their own skin by trying to Win by sauce and cheek (Apologetics of the 3rd kind). I won't mention any Names but one who after a prolonged defense (it's like the British Defence but with more bluster) is was just one line insults. It can't be good for the soul... I mean,....it would not be good for the soul if we had one..( I'm doomed, if the Atheist Orthodoxy Squad sees that)
(1) The Bible is true.
No -The resurrection is false
It must be true - the disciples would not die for a lie.
Who says they did?
It's in the Bible.
You don't have to. An atheist lacks belief in a deity; it does not follow that an atheist must believe there is no deity. (Certainly there are atheists who do believe there is no deity, but that isn't what makes them atheists).
I'm an agnostic atheist because I don't know if there is a god, or gods, or not. Until there is proof one way or another, I decline to believe.
Thanks for sharing, and it sounds like you’ve made good peace with it.
But i’m just curious why you come to this forum.
Is there a curiosity about spiritual experiences that arises in you?
Or does it help to be connected and communicate with other agnostics?
I’m new to this forum, so I’m interested what brings people here.
I don’t call my connection to nature “God” either. But I AM deeply connected to the natural world and feel most at home there. It took the chipmunks about five whole minutes to clean all the seeds and tomato goo plastered to their face and bodies.......
So they are two separate things then, is that correct? The "knowing" God and the connected feeling?
So they are two separate things then, is that correct? The "knowing" God and the connected feeling?
Not meaning to intrude on the conversation between you two, and it will be good to hear his/her response, but I'd like contribute to a view on this subject:
Some would say that one needs to sense the spiritual realm - and what could be called "God" - first, as a starting point. That's the beginning foundation and beginning connection. Then, as with other relationships, getting familiar with, and coming to "know" God (if you choose to call him that) would then follow. They would be more connected and related than separate.
One might also say that problematic people in the world tend to be those who skip the first step. They jump to religion, rules, and assumptions without any spiritual connection. They have no internal guidance or direction to correct or enlighten them, and with the void, just follow after other people. The end result is worse than the beginning point, and leads to more confusion and disinformation for others.
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Thanks for sharing, and it sounds like you’ve made good peace with it.
But i’m just curious why you come to this forum.
Is there a curiosity about spiritual experiences that arises in you?
Or does it help to be connected and communicate with other agnostics?
I’m new to this forum, so I’m interested what brings people here.
I tend to pop in when I notice thread titles which interest me.
No, I do not look for a sense of community here. I know many agnostic atheists IRL. But for me, my sense of community comes from my family and friends. Their beliefs are varied.
So they are two separate things then, is that correct? The "knowing" God and the connected feeling?
Well perhaps I used the wrong word?? By “connected” to nature I mean I feel more at home, I’m more interested in, more responsive to, more happy and at peace in the natural world. The presence of God that I sense is everywhere, not just in nature. But living in the country, surrounded by the natural world, it is easier to quiet down, be still and more aware of the presence of God. It doesn’t change, but I do.
... living in the country, surrounded by the natural world, it is easier to quiet down, be still and more aware of the presence of God. It doesn’t change, but I do.
And that is more healthy - surrounded by nature and what could be considered God's creations - than being surrounded by man's creations: buildings, media, politics, so-called "news" outlets, etc. Some choose wisely, like yourself, and benefit greatly from it. Others, well, it's more a case of "garbage in, garbage out". It's choosing to drink out of a poisoned well than anything pure and beneficial.
Last week God came & took my hand & led me to The Garden of Eden. Other times God sends huge angels & they pick me up & carry me to mansions in the sky. God shows me the future ten thousand times & it always comes true. Yet sometimes my head gets so full of worldly things that I completely forget that God is watching me & is Real. We all find ourselves alone with God when we die And that is just a short while ahead. Less than a blink of an eye for your eternal soul. Religious people never think alike. They each have a different interpretation of the scriptures. I say to them that I meet God face to face & they all say that no one can ever meet God.
Yet Jesus Says:
Quote:
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
God is 100% Real & you need to meet God because there is no one as wonderful as God. People of the world are just like empty headed specs of dust compared to God. The only person worth knowing in all of life is God. You can be certain of that. Everyone else is severely spiritually retarded or completely brain dead 'spiritually speaking'.
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which can't be entirely dismissed as 'argument from silence'.
but one who after a prolonged defense (it's like the British Defence but with more bluster) is was just one line insults. It can't be good for the soul...
I mean,....it would not be good for the soul if we had one..( 
I'm doomed, if the Atheist Orthodoxy Squad sees that)
