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Read the title of the thread. Take away the Bible and where's your proof for the resurrection? You're going to go back to "The religion that resulted" to which I'll say, "What about Mormonism?" To which you'll say, "The resurrection proves Christianity' to which I'll say, "Read the title of the thread."
Getting dizzy, jimmie?
There is no proof. (due to the technology of the time)
One of the most famous references though is the "Doubting Thomas", now often used colloquially from the Bible, and that we are told to believe without seeing.
The Resurrection is the very heart of Christianity, as it is the defeat of death.
Okay. Thank you for making sure I am on the same page as what a Christian believes.
What if a person did not need to be saved or, at least, did not consider it a priority? I am this person and I have been like this since at least 10 years old. What I wanted more than anything in the world was a life where people did not live in contradictions or at least realize when they were living inconsistently.
So when I say, I don't need to be saved, it is not coming from a position of pride or independence or of superior knowledge. It was just not as important as my other need, which doesn't quality as a sin of the flesh.
So I took a "risk" with my soul and turned my back on Christianity because this religion was used as the authority to allow this inconsistent behavior. I don't think that was the intention of Jesus, but that is truly what was happening. So telling me that this is what God wants no longer has a power over me.
I truly don't think the teachings of Jesus are reachable to all people in the way they are presented.
Thanks for sharing.
Christianity teaches that man will live forever, even after physical death. God desires you to know Him and the unimaginable love He has for you. He is, even now, preparing a place for us where there is no more sorrow or pain, only love. Jesus came to prepare the way.
I know you’ve made your decision, but as we get older, we think about these things more, or at least that’s my observation.
Re: this topic, it verified Jesus’ claims that He was indeed the Messiah.
I question that claim. Sure, he may have made the claim while he was still free and alive but once the Romans got hold of him he was a messiah no more. They executed him! He failed to free the Jews from the Romans wouldn't you say?
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messiah
noun
1. The promised deliverer of the Jewish nation prophesied in the Hebrew Bible.
2. A leader regarded as the saviour of a particular country, group, or cause.
By definition he did not deliver the Jewish nation from the Romans.
Whether he 'resurrected' after his death or not, the fact is that the Jews remained under the Romans. The Jews revolted in 70 AD without Jesus and were crushed.
So he was not the messiah or saviour as prophesied in the Hebrew Bible.
Christianity teaches that man will live forever, even after physical death. God desires you to know Him and the unimaginable love He has for you. He is, even now, preparing a place for us where there is no more sorrow or pain, only love. Jesus came to prepare the way.
I know you’ve made your decision, but as we get older, we think about these things more, or at least that’s my observation.
You're welcome. Thank you for the exchange.
I have put myself out there more as a result of my decision and come across more and more Christians. I like to have a response for them so they don't have to worry about me and we can move on to other discussions.
I’m a Christian not because of miracles-I wasn’t there. I’m a Christian because I see it played out every day.
Man is flawed
God reached down in love
Man seeks redemption
God changes man
Don't you see that means Nothing whatsoever? We see pain and suffering and know that we want something better. But rather than try to make it better, you and your Ilk pretend that it'll all be put right magically just by wishing it. And when it isn't you say that it'll happen later, or it's the fault of those who don't think like you. Just excuses, closed mindedness and judgementalism
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Thanks for sharing.
Christianity teaches that man will live forever, even after physical death. God desires you to know Him and the unimaginable love He has for you. He is, even now, preparing a place for us where there is no more sorrow or pain, only love. Jesus came to prepare the way.
I know you’ve made your decision, but as we get older, we think about these things more, or at least that’s my observation.
What 'observation'? Observation of...what you want to observe even if what you observe isn't really there but you ignore anyone who tells you it isn't. Prayers are Not answered and you Christians know it. People are Not made better by Christianity but you blame unbelief for it. You don't listen, observe or want to know anything other than your faith -claims, and not even yours. You don't 'think about these things'; you merely brood on what you have been taught to believe.
I don't actually try to convince anyone of miraculous things. I don't believe that is possible. I believe a religion should be evaluated on the merits of its teachings alone. Then a person should practice the teachings to see if they are true. By "true" I mean are they spiritually true. Do they lead to a more peaceful life? Do they reduce suffering? etc. Then, through practicing a person may (I'd like to say probably, but who knows) have some transcendent experiences. That will predispose them to believe in something beyond the rational, or to understand that their view of reality is incomplete. Then a person might believe in 'miraculous things.' Maybe not. That belief isn't important. I would never try to convince anyone of something miraculous as those are minor points. The content of the teachings and how that transforms a person is the main point.
Generally, it has not been my experience that atheists believe in supernatural things. But I know atheists who are part of non-theistic religions who do. My husband practices Tibetan Buddhism and he believes the supernatural claim that the Dalai Lama is an emanation of the bodhisattva Avalokiteshvara and has an explanation of how that is possible according to his belief system. So I was merely speaking generally and left out some people who didn't fit that description. I think those people might be the minority. If an atheist believes in something supernatural, how do they explain it?
You ask why do so many religionists try to make their spiritual matters history. I don't know. I think they should stop, and argue their religion on its own grounds---the spiritual validity as evidenced by the transformed lives of its adherents. That was part of my point. To bring up my Buddhist husband again, I've asked him if there was proof that the historical Buddha existed. He said that he didn't really know, but the teachings are verified by their quality. And if there turned out to NOT be the historical Buddha that they came from, he would conclude that whoever it was that wrote the teachings was a Buddha, or Buddhas. I feel the same way about Christianity. That's why I don't believe it useful to argue based on history or science. Whoever the teachings came from was Christ because the teachings themselves have produced the spiritual fruit in my life that they said they would.
So why aren't you Buddhist, considering that many of the teachings attributed to the Christian man-god were spoken by the Buddha some 500 years earlier?
The Spirit of God is the only evidence of the truth , where as if you removed the Koran from the earth then the Muslins would have no evidence of their faith , but in the case of Christianity God would bring new copies of His Word for believers ...
There is NO proof of anything in the Bible. It is all based on conjecture and fairy tales.
It's based on faith. The whole concept of believing in God and the Bible and Jesus is based on faith, of which there is no physical, tangible evidence of. You simply have to believe, or not believe.
So why aren't you Buddhist, considering that many of the teachings attributed to the Christian man-god were spoken by the Buddha some 500 years earlier?
I like Buddhists. I can get behind Buddhism..
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