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Neither explains the origins of the universe, period.
The Big Bang model explains the very early stages of the current state of the universe, and the resulting factors that reveal themselves in observations of the present and past (looking further away is looking further back). With minor disagreements among physicists and cosmologists, there is one theory of the universe since its beginnings. With theists, there are any number of 'ideas', many completely at odds with the rest. That alone speaks volumes of the scientific approach and the 'my favorite myth' approach.
Neither explains how the universe came to be. And 'God did it!' is a ludicrous alternative to 'I don't know.". The fact that the Norman conquerors couldn't explain disease or tides or volcanoes didn't mean that the answer must lie in the mysterious workings of some superman in the sky. It just meant that they did not know.
And perhaps how the universe came to be - as opposed to how it has changed since the time of the beginning of its current expansion - may remain unknowable. Or it may not. We don't presently know that, either.
How does theism explain how the universe came to be?
By a similar mechanism to whatever it is that governs our imagination within our consciousness - God's imagination in His consciousness. Let me disabuse you of your next accusation that it is just made up. We DO have a consciousness and we DO have an imagination so we are not talking about anything that is just made up. It is plausible.
By a similar mechanism to whatever it is that governs our imagination within our consciousness - God's imagination in His consciousness. Let me disabuse you of your next accusation that it is just made up. We DO have a consciousness and we DO have an imagination so we are not talking about anything that is just made up. It is plausible.
This is a theological argument that fails miserably. You have given no plausible explanation of how Gods imagination in his consciousness came to be.
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Neither explains the origins of the universe, period.
The Big Bang model explains the very early stages of the current state of the universe, and the resulting factors that reveal themselves in observations of the present and past (looking further away is looking further back). With minor disagreements among physicists and cosmologists, there is one theory of the universe since its beginnings. With theists, there are any number of 'ideas', many completely at odds with the rest. That alone speaks volumes of the scientific approach and the 'my favorite myth' approach.
Neither explains how the universe came to be. And 'God did it!' is a ludicrous alternative to 'I don't know.". The fact that the Norman conquerors couldn't explain disease or tides or volcanoes didn't mean that the answer must lie in the mysterious workings of some superman in the sky. It just meant that they did not know.
And perhaps how the universe came to be - as opposed to how it has changed since the time of the beginning of its current expansion - may remain unknowable. Or it may not. We don't presently know that, either.
There are many models that explain the universe in a naturalistic way. You just fail to know what they are.
This is false. There’s almost no explanation or justification for first cause. Theism fails as an explanation.
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