The Beginning of Life (genesis, quote, faith, God)
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Yup same guy Michael and while they are explaining it away they said "the move from micro to macro forms a discontinuity". I could quote a few other parts but you would probably say the same thing, I am misusing their work. Get the book, check it out.
Quote from the book where they are saying that they are explaining AWAY evolution as in trying to discredit it. That's not what I got from the book review that I posted and from the profile on him - https://www.santafe.edu/people/profile/douglas-h-erwin
Furthermore, the introduction to they're book is available online and they are not explaining away evolution. They are saying that the Cambrian explosion is unresolved.
From the intro;
The subtitle of this book, The Construction of Animal Biodiversity, captures a second theme: the importance of building the networks that mediate the interactions. … Increased genetic and developmental interactions were also critical to the formation of new animal body plans. By the time a branch of advanced sponges gave rise to more complex animals, their genomes comprised genes whose products could interact with regulatory elements in a coordinated network. Network interactions were critical to the spatial and temporal patterning of gene expression, to the formation of new cell types, and to the generation of a hierarchical morphology of tissues and organs. The evolving lineages could begin to adapt to different regions within the rich mosaic of conditions they encountered across the environmental landscape, diverging and specializing to diversify into an array of body forms. (pp. 8-9, emphasis added)[bolding mine}
So you either are misunderstanding them or you are deliberately misusing their work to promote Intelligent Design which according to the site I just linked to, ''Erwin and Valentine are not proponents of intelligent design.''
So you either are misunderstanding them or you are deliberately misusing their work to promote Intelligent Design which according to the site I just linked to, ''Erwin and Valentine are not proponents of intelligent design.''
I think it's a bit of both.
Does not understand and thus mistakenly thinks it supports his agenda of promoting ID.
In my far distant past I taught earth science for 13 years. And that included "earth history". I heard lots of people say they were against evolution based on their religious beliefs, and when I asked them to explain evolution...not a one could. It's relevant.
I am not against evolution per say phet, there are many things in evolution I agree with, however I find to many problems with evolution with common descent. However most here cannot get past the point that I am a Christian so that is always brought into any disagreement I have with the current understanding of evolution.
According to most here if I quote from an ID site I am told you can't believe anything on those sites and as was just seen when I quote from what most would say are well respected scientist I get blamed for misquoting or fudging the evidence to suite a Christian agenda.
So let me ask you this. Is there or is there not a problem with the Cambrian explosion?If there is what is wrong with me pointing out some of those problems?
I am not against evolution per say phet, there are many things in evolution I agree with, however I find to many problems with evolution with common descent. However most here cannot get past the point that I am a Christian so that is always brought into any disagreement I have with the current understanding of evolution.
According to most here if I quote from an ID site I am told you can't believe anything on those sites and as was just seen when I quote from what most would say are well respected scientist I get blamed for misquoting or fudging the evidence to suite a Christian agenda.
So let me ask you this. Is there or is there not a problem with the Cambrian explosion?If there is what is wrong with me pointing out some of those problems?
Let's see...you are posting as a christian on forum entitled "religion and spirituality". And you wonder why other posters see you as a christian posting on a forum about religion and spirituality??? Context is very meaningful.
There is a science part of this overall forum. Perhaps you should take your discussion there.
Yes and I still say you poor thing that you did not know what Ma meant. LOL
You were trying to dismiss me correcting you once again by mentioning that the Cambrian Explosion took place over 13-25 million years which is indeed enough time for all major animal phyla to start appearing in the fossil record.
You come back with these silly comments: "And your wrong on the dates, Erwin and Valentine give the brief geological time as 530 to 520 Ma. "You have to stretch the time l line and even then that is not enough time."
You think 530 million years, or 520 million years or even 10 million years is evidence against the fact that the Cambrian Explosion occurred over a span of 13-25 million years?
The only conclusion one can draw from your silly comments is that you don't know what Ma stands for!
You should try bettering following your own posts.
Lol, keep trying some will likely believe you. I showed you your error plain as day and instead of saying oops my bad you compound your error with this nonsense.
Quote from the book where they are saying that they are explaining AWAY evolution as in trying to discredit it. That's not what I got from the book review that I posted and from the profile on him - https://www.santafe.edu/people/profile/douglas-h-erwin
Furthermore, the introduction to they're book is available online and they are not explaining away evolution. They are saying that the Cambrian explosion is unresolved.
From the intro;
The subtitle of this book, The Construction of Animal Biodiversity, captures a second theme: the importance of building the networks that mediate the interactions. … Increased genetic and developmental interactions were also critical to the formation of new animal body plans. By the time a branch of advanced sponges gave rise to more complex animals, their genomes comprised genes whose products could interact with regulatory elements in a coordinated network. Network interactions were critical to the spatial and temporal patterning of gene expression, to the formation of new cell types, and to the generation of a hierarchical morphology of tissues and organs. The evolving lineages could begin to adapt to different regions within the rich mosaic of conditions they encountered across the environmental landscape, diverging and specializing to diversify into an array of body forms. (pp. 8-9, emphasis added)[bolding mine}
So you either are misunderstanding them or you are deliberately misusing their work to promote Intelligent Design which according to the site I just linked to, ''Erwin and Valentine are not proponents of intelligent design.''
I am not saying they are explaining evolution away Michael in that way, I am saying while they were explaining how evolution works they still came to the conclusion that from micro to macro there is a discontinuity.
Let's see...you are posting as a christian on forum entitled "religion and spirituality". And you wonder why other posters see you as a christian posting on a forum about religion and spirituality??? Context is very meaningful.
There is a science part of this overall forum. Perhaps you should take your discussion there.
You totally missed my point and did not answer a simple question.
I am not against evolution per say phet, there are many things in evolution I agree with, however I find to many problems with evolution with common descent. However most here cannot get past the point that I am a Christian so that is always brought into any disagreement I have with the current understanding of evolution.
According to most here if I quote from an ID site I am told you can't believe anything on those sites and as was just seen when I quote from what most would say are well respected scientist I get blamed for misquoting or fudging the evidence to suite a Christian agenda.
So let me ask you this. Is there or is there not a problem with the Cambrian explosion?If there is what is wrong with me pointing out some of those problems?
I am a Christian. I used to post as Mike555.
No, there is not a problem with the Cambrian explosion, by which you meant 'does the Cambrian explosion pose a problem for evolution.' Only for overly literalistic young earth creationists who think that Genesis 1-3 has to be taken literally and historically.
I am not saying they are explaining evolution away Michael in that way, I am saying while they were explaining how evolution works they still came to the conclusion that from micro to macro there is a discontinuity.
Then why are you using them to defend Intelligent Design?
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