The Beginning of Life (American, America, atheist, quote)

[phetaroi]

Originally Posted by pneuma

You totally missed my point and did not answer a simple question.

I said what I wanted to say.

[Michael Way]

Originally Posted by Matadora

I think it's a bit of both.

Does not understand and thus mistakenly thinks it supports his agenda of promoting ID.

You could be right.

[TroutDude]

Originally Posted by Iwasmadenew

You’re a very opinionated mod, on the topic of religion, but you keep your own perspective on reality a secret. Your worldview, in your profile, is “never revealed.” That seems very convenient for critiquing others beliefs while never having to defend your own. It doesn’t seem fair for a mod to interject his criticism of religious beliefs on a religion forum, especially when you keep your own beliefs so hidden. Unfair playing field.

[pneuma]

Originally Posted by Michael Way

I am a Christian. I used to post as Mike555.

No, there is not a problem with the Cambrian explosion, by which you meant 'does the Cambrian explosion pose a problem for evolution.' Only for overly literalistic young earth creationists who think that Genesis 1-3 has to be taken literally and historically.

Originally Posted by Michael Way

Then why are you using them to defend Intelligent Design?

Because design is a better hypothesis then any of the others. Just look at the digital like feature in dna, we either have design showing there or evolution. I find design to be more logical.

I take it you are a theistic evolutionist.

[phetaroi]

Originally Posted by pneuma

Because design is a better hypothesis then any of the others. Just look at the digital like feature in dna, we either have design showing there or evolution. I find design to be more logical.

I take it you are a theistic evolutionist.

That's your opinion. You're entitled to your opinion. But it's still opinion.

As far as "the digital like feature in dna", and other things that you are talking about...I've asked twice now and you've refused to answer: what is your background in evolution, genetics, etc. I'm not sure why you're having so much of a problem answering about your own background in the topic(s) you're discussing.

[Michael Way]

Originally Posted by pneuma

I am not saying they are explaining evolution away Michael in that way, I am saying while they were explaining how evolution works they still came to the conclusion that from micro to macro there is a discontinuity.

Originally Posted by Michael Way

Then why are you using them to defend Intelligent Design?

Originally Posted by pneuma

Because design is a better hypothesis then any of the others. Just look at the digital like feature in dna, we either have design showing there or evolution. I find design to be more logical.

But they weren't promoting ID in their book. They were promoting evolution.

As for them saying there is a discontinuity between 'micro' to 'macro,' I don't know what the context was in which they said that, so I don't know what they meant by it. Perhaps you could quote in greater detail what they meant by that.

I take it you are a theistic evolutionist.

Yes.

[Matadora]

Originally Posted by pneuma

Lol, keep trying some will likely believe you. I showed you your error plain as day and instead of saying oops my bad you compound your error with this nonsense.

Well lookie here! I reached out to Doug Erwin, one of the two authors of the book you tired to make your bogus claim from. Here is our discussion.

Good Morning Dr. Erwin,

I wanted to reach out and ask if the Cambrian Explosion occurred over a 13-25 million year span? I have not read your book THE CAMBRIAN EXPLOSION: The Construction of Animal Biodiversity, however I wanted to ask you directly as I’m being told by an ID proponent that this book states otherwise.

If this is true then what is the span of time that the Cambrian Explosion occurred?

Thank you,

This was his response.

Dear Ms.....,

The answer to your question depends on how the Cambrian explosion is defined. A broad estimate might extend from the first Edacaran fossils at about 570 million years ago through the lower Cambrian at about 509 Ma. But that would encompass much more than the explosive burst of diversity documented in the fossil record, which would be from the late Ediacaran into the lower part of the Cambrian, so perhaps 10-15 million years. However, for various reasons this may overestimate the interval over which most of the evolutionary changes happened by several million years.

Doug Erwin

Let's see you try and back peddle out of this one.

Matadora knows how to check facts!

[Arach Angle]

Originally Posted by Iwasmadenew

You’re a very opinionated mod, on the topic of religion, but you keep your own perspective on reality a secret. Your worldview, in your profile, is “never revealed.” That seems very convenient for critiquing others beliefs while never having to defend your own. It doesn’t seem fair for a mod to interject his criticism of religious beliefs on a religion forum, especially when you keep your own beliefs so hidden. Unfair playing field.

Its fait that he interjects his opinion. that cool. setting up an unequal bias to some godfaith biased claims that lean toward one side might be an issue.

I think its clear this place is for scarred at the hands of religion to have a pillow to beat on. And it is a god faith base site. Its also a site to achieve a P-agenda of anti-religion in the united states.

[Arach Angle]

Originally Posted by Michael Way

But they weren't promoting ID in their book. They were promoting evolution.

As for them saying there is a discontinuity between 'micro' to 'macro,' I don't know what the context was in which they said that, so I don't know what they meant by it. Perhaps you could quote in greater detail what they meant by that.



Yes.

I would call an theist that says their god did it through evolution as an ID-er.

where am I wrong? to be honest, I don't look at ID.

[Matadora]

Intelligent design (ID) is a pseudoscientific argument for the existence of God, presented by its proponents as "an evidence-based scientific theory about life's origins"

Evolution is the changes in the gene pool from one generation to the next as a consequence of processes such as mutation, natural selection, nonrandom mating, and genetic drift.

The Theory of Evolution is not concerned with the origins of life on earth.

It makes sense why someone would reject ID and accept Evolution.

Originally Posted by pneuma

I am not saying they are explaining evolution away Michael in that way, I am saying while they were explaining how evolution works they still came to the conclusion that from micro to macro there is a discontinuity.

I find this hard to believe as no trained biological or genetics scientist uses the terms macro and micro evolution. I hate to bother Dr. Erwin again but I will reach out to him and ask him if he uses those terms in the book The Cambrian Explosion: The Construction of Animal Biodiversity.