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You don't understand. If you don't believe god, you must be struggling. Now get back in line and start struggling!
actually that is not it. Although I see why you would cling to it like a rubber ducky.
The following is demonstrating struggling ...
"Sortagod cannot be allowed to pass through inattention or being worn down with constant nagging, because it hands theism the logical default for free. Without their having to produce anything but fallacious arguments."
Its not only struggling ... its afraid.
No worries ... I know.
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I'm not sure that's really the analogy I would be looking for. Maybe like it being decided that logic didn't really work. It would be that much of a shake -up.
That's how I work, too
Quote "Expect to be disappointed, and you won't be".
Okay. What about the Santa analogy? Did you once believe in Santa?
Okay. What about the Santa analogy? Did you once believe in Santa?
Yes, I think I did. Then I (and sisters) suspecting it was the parents and one Xmas we caught them smuggling in the Loot and the game was Up.
It was a process rather like growing out of the martian canals (remember those? ) and the landers showing them to be not the case. It was not a shock - it was as we'd long suspected. I imagine it will be the same for the Moon landing conspiracy when (if) there are revisits and they bus over to Tranquility base to dust off he reflectors and straighten the US flag.
I imagine it's much the same for deconverts from the religious myth. Some find it a painful process, others just 'Let Go'.
I think that the Santa analogy holds up there, don't you?
Yes, I think I did. Then I (and sisters) suspecting it was the parents and one Xmas we caught them smuggling in the Loot and the game was Up.
It was a process rather like growing out of the martian canals (remember those? ) and the landers showing them to be not the case. It was not a shock - it was as we'd long suspected. I imagine it will be the same for the Moon landing conspiracy when (if) there are revisits and they bus over to Tranquility base to dust off he reflectors and straighten the US flag.
I imagine it's much the same for deconverts from the religious myth. Some find it a painful process, others just 'Let Go'.
I think that the Santa analogy holds up there, don't you?
For us the Santa analogy might work. Doesn't hold up so well for others, but we've covered that already...
As kids get older so do the parents, and the parents don't stay up as late as they used to when the kids were younger. So in time, the parents start to sneak out the Santa presents earlier and earlier Chistmas eve evening while the kids now older are still awake later and later into the night. It's at that point that reality begins to settle in for most of us, even though most of us act dumb for a few more years to keep the presents from Santa coming as long as possible...
One way or another, we eventually tumble...there ain't no Santa...apart from Cosmic Santa to whom all the stuff we know about must be credited - but only by the Faithful.
One way or another, we eventually tumble...there ain't no Santa...apart from Cosmic Santa to whom all the stuff we know about must be credited - but only by the Faithful.
It takes as much faith to deny the toys are there as it does to say coke santa is the only answer.
Back to the question I was hoping to get answered...
Does having faith mean that someone has not really experienced anything that proves to them a god exists?
And/or if one has had such an experience such that they KNOW god exists, do they no longer need to rely on faith? No need to claim they have faith God exists.
Shouldn't be a combination of both. Right? I mean I have experienced love, pain, hunger and a zip line trip across the Zambezi River. I know these things exist as a result. I don't need to have faith these things exist.
Back to the question I was hoping to get answered...
Does having faith mean that someone has not really experienced anything that proves to them a god exists?
And/or if one has had such an experience such that they KNOW god exists, do they no longer need to rely on faith? No need to claim they have faith God exists.
Shouldn't be a combination of both. Right? I mean I have experienced love, pain, hunger and a zip line trip across the Zambezi River. I know these things exist as a result. I don't need to have faith these things exist.
I don't think so. You can have faith in your experience. "I saw something, I am not sure what it is. It could be a few things."
I don't think so. You can have faith in your experience. "I saw something, I am not sure what it is. It could be a few things."
No. I don't have faith in my experience. I know what I experienced...
I have faith about things I'm not sure about (maybe). That my car will start next time I need to use it for example. I have faith it will. I don't have or invoke faith once it actually starts. Once the car starts, I no longer have faith it will start. Now I know. What's so hard to understand about this?
People like you can complicate a brick. All the way back to whether we even know if we actually exist, but keep it simple for simple people like me, and it's possible to know things as opposed to needing faith. Simple to distinguish between the two in any case.
I have faith you won't agree or understand, but when it comes to faith, one really never knows...
No. I don't have faith in my experience. I know what I experienced...
I have faith about things I'm not sure about (maybe). That my car will start next time I need to use it for example. I have faith it will. I don't have or invoke faith once it actually starts. Once the car starts, I no longer have faith it will start. Now I know. What's so hard to understand about this?
People like you can complicate a brick. All the way back to whether we even know if we actually exist, but keep it simple for simple people like me, and it's possible to know things as opposed to needing faith. Simple to distinguish between the two in any case.
I have faith you won't agree or understand, but when it comes to faith, one really never knows...
Yup, I don't know all the time what I experienced. I know what I thought I experienced but the brain can be trick way to easily to believe everything I see.
Maybe that is one of my disconnects. My first question is "Did what I just experience actually happen?" so I have been cross checking my whole life. That "ghost on the film"? A bug walking across the lens explained it far better explanation than a simple tons trumpeting out "It aint no god thing" over and over and over again.
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) and the landers showing them to be not the case. It was not a shock - it was as we'd long suspected. I imagine it will be the same for the Moon landing conspiracy when (if) there are revisits and they bus over to Tranquility base to dust off he reflectors and straighten the US flag.
