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Old 03-23-2022, 06:13 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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The main difference lies in the intent of the practitioner, and in the nature of the alleged powers being called on to perform said action (i.e. "good" powers vs. "evil" powers).
Do you think you should be criticized for being a catholic?
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Old 03-23-2022, 06:51 PM
 
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So far, I haven't seen any of you describe what practitioners of Wicca actually do or believe.
They believe in the Goddess of Mother Earth and that nature is sacred.
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Old 03-23-2022, 08:57 PM
 
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I have, in my lifetime, encountered too many small miracles, to not believe into them. They are. It's just that to each according to his own and to his faith. Small faith, small miracles. No faith, no miracles. Great faith - great miracles.
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Old 03-23-2022, 09:25 PM
 
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I have, in my lifetime, encountered too many small miracles, to not believe into them. They are. It's just that to each according to his own and to his faith. Small faith, small miracles. No faith, no miracles. Great faith - great miracles.
yes.
YES.


it's like they say, a person can go to the ocean for water with a thimble, or a cup, or a bucket.
or their bare hands. or a sieve.

and that's what determines how much water they can get
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Old 03-24-2022, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Alabama
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So far, I haven't seen any of you describe what practitioners of Wicca actually do or believe.
Wicca has not really been a part of this conversation.

I've been speaking of witchcraft, which is far from being a practice exclusive to the practitioners of Wicca. In fact, I would argue that much of Wicca would be better defined as "occultism" as opposed to "witchcraft". Defining these things can be complicated as there tends to be a lot of overlap and some of it is dependent upon popular imagination/conception.

When I speak of "witchcraft", this is what I have in mind:

"It is not easy to draw a clear distinction between magic and witchcraft. Both are concerned with the producing of effects beyond the natural powers of man by agencies other than the Divine. But in witchcraft, as commonly understood, there is involved the idea of a diabolical pact or at least an appeal to the intervention of the spirits of evil. In such cases this supernatural aid is usually invoked either to compass the death of some obnoxious person, or to awaken the passion of love in those who are the objects of desire, or to call up the dead, or to bring calamity or impotence upon enemies, rivals, and fancied oppressors. This is not an exhaustive enumeration, but these represent some of the principal purposes that witchcraft has been made to serve at nearly all periods of the world's history."

From New Advent
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Old 03-24-2022, 07:30 AM
 
Location: Alabama
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You are assuming that witchs cast spells for evil and Catholics pray for only good.
Not necessarily. A witch is perfectly capable of calling upon "good" powers with good intent, while a Catholic is perfectly capable of calling upon "evil" powers with bad intent.

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What is your intent to cast Witchs as evil?
I have said that witchcraft as a practice is evil. I have not ascribed evil to any particular person.
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Old 03-24-2022, 07:32 AM
 
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Do you think you should be criticized for being a catholic?
Should I be? No, as there is nothing intrinsically wrong with being a Catholic.

Will I be? Of course, and I don't mind. If having my beliefs challenged were a problem for me, I wouldn't be here.
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Old 03-24-2022, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Should I be? No, as there is nothing intrinsically wrong with being a Catholic.

Will I be? Of course, and I don't mind. If having my beliefs challenged were a problem for me, I wouldn't be here.
Well, you seem to think it's okay to criticize a spiritual practice that someone else believes in.

So I guess there is no real principle involved.
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Old 03-24-2022, 07:51 AM
 
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Not necessarily. A witch is perfectly capable of calling upon "good" powers with good intent, while a Catholic is perfectly capable of calling upon "evil" powers with bad intent.



I have said that witchcraft as a practice is evil. I have not ascribed evil to any particular person.
No bu you have coloured withcraft as evil and harmful to the person. That is as much labeling the person as if you put in writing. And you use acCatholic definition for witchcraft. That would be the same as if I used an Islamic source to define your church.
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Old 03-24-2022, 07:51 AM
 
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Well, you seem to think it's okay to criticize a spiritual practice that someone else believes in.

So I guess there is no real principle involved.
The principle involved is that of objective good and objective evil. It is possible to discern these things.
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