Religion -- The Balance...The Good, The Bad, The Ugly (Mormons, prophets)
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if (a) stating views on religion, in a forum about religion, in a thread topic about religion is considered "preachy" "unwanted" and "intentionally offensive" as the view expressed above claims and puts forth,
then (b) the bold above also applies to the post above
Except it is not that he is quoting scripture, it is that he is doing so to preach something that has nothing to do with the OP. He is derailing the thread to preach his message, forget the soup kitchens, one should be telling 'others about the good news of God's Kingdom'.
I notice you did not thank them for trying to convert you, perhaps because his preaching is for you unwanted?
I don't even see the relevance of his post. Other than to deflect criticism.
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YOU are the one deflecting.
You were part of the field that has the most offenders...but point toward others.
And even with the Catholics...it mostly occurred with those that were under the tutelage of others. In the Mission Schools, and with the Altar Boys.
What is it about those that formally teach others that makes them so prone to that kind of deviant behavior?
Seems to me it's actually more of a Teaching thing than a Religion thing.
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Of course...that's a obvious given.
Why would you even ask that?
I would never think of going on a general forum for Teachers & Education...and put up links about sexual abuse within that community, over and over and over again.
What makes people like that tick...how does one become so hateful and nasty toward anything that is not intrinsically harmful?
There are humans in this world who do bad, harmful things...and every organization is made up of humans, so that will inevitably occur in all of them. The larger the organization...the more bad people.
To single one out, and bust on it daily, for years (for a inevitable fault), takes a special kind of hate.
This is where the majority of the sexual abuse of children within a large organization is occurring...and being covered up or go easy on the perpetrators by "the system".
They requested 40 years in prison....but only got 60 days.
This had nothing to do with Religious affiliations....and I'm sure you are all on forums for Teachers/Schools going off on them every day. https://www.campussafetymagazine.com...eports%20ABC13.
This is where the majority of the sexual abuse of children within a large organization is occurring...and being covered up or go easy on the perpetrators by "the system".
They requested 40 years in prison....but only got 60 days.
This had nothing to do with Religious affiliations....and I'm sure you are all on forums for Teachers/Schools going off on them every day. https://www.campussafetymagazine.com...eports%20ABC13.
No..not at all. Lots of family & loved ones that were/are in that profession.
So...even though this is the most common place to find the sexual abuse of children currently...I would not be on forums insulting and casting aspersions upon the school system, teachers, or people that endorse educators.
Those bad people didn't do what they did because they were in the School System, or because they were Teachers.
No more than The Church, Religion, or being clergy motivates bad people to abuse children.
Those two things put adults and children together in great numbers...and bad people will do bad things.
To blame the organization or the vocation is just bias against it, not a logical reason.
No..not at all. Lots of family & loved ones that were/are in that profession.
So...even though this is the most common place to find the sexual abuse of children currently...I would not be on forums insulting and casting aspersions upon the school system, teachers, or people that endorse educators.
Those bad people didn't do what they did because they were in the School System, or because they were Teachers.
No more than The Church, Religion, or being clergy motivates bad people to abuse children.
Those two things put adults and children together in great numbers...and bad people will do bad things.
To blame the organization or the vocation is just bias against it, not a logical reason.
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Vigilance is always needed and good data and reason need to take precedence over emotion and hysteria if we truly want to keep children and families safe from abuse in the Church as well as in all institutions where adults and children interact.
To me there are actually two different issues here.
One is the shameful abuse of children by priests, other clergy, and yes, in my profession some teachers.
The other issue, however, is how the organization involved -- whether it be a church body or a school or school system -- handles the transgression.
The former is on the individual. But the latter is on all the people who participate in that organization who need to clean house and realize that yes, they too have a responsibility...and that responsibility is not to protect the organization...and yet that's exactly what some church bodies and school and school systems have done. It's all the more serious on the religious level.
To me there are actually two different issues here.
One is the shameful abuse of children by priests, other clergy, and yes, in my profession some teachers.
The other issue, however, is how the organization involved -- whether it be a church body or a school or school system -- handles the transgression.
The former is on the individual. But the latter is on all the people who participate in that organization who need to clean house and realize that yes, they too have a responsibility...and that responsibility is not to protect the organization...and yet that's exactly what some church bodies and school and school systems have done. It's all the more serious on the religious level.
That is an opinion and a subjective perspective. What is at stake is the safety and protection of the victim of abuse, of any age. Children are particularly vulnerable. The article cites data that the percentage of abuse is about the same in religious institutions and all other kinds, including Boy Scouts. Trauma has no religion. All adults involved with the care of children are equally responsible for their actions. It is an error of judgement to think adults in religious institutions are any less capable of sexual or any other kind of abuse. Ought is not IS.
How we deal with abuse is always evolving and institutions and corporations need clear guidelines in dealing with abuse of any kind - how to report, the legal ramifications etc., and providing counseling.
That is an opinion and a subjective perspective. What is at stake is the safety and protection of the victim of abuse, of any age. Children are particularly vulnerable. The article cites data that the percentage of abuse is about the same in religious institutions and all other kinds, including Boy Scouts. Trauma has no religion. All adults involved with the care of children are equally responsible for their actions. It is an error of judgement to think adults in religious institutions are any less capable of sexual or any other kind of abuse. Ought is not IS.
How we deal with abuse is always evolving and institutions and corporations need clear guidelines in dealing with abuse of any kind - how to report, the legal ramifications etc., and providing counseling.
And that is your opinion. You give plenty of them.
To me there are actually two different issues here.
One is the shameful abuse of children by priests, other clergy, and yes, in my profession some teachers.
The other issue, however, is how the organization involved -- whether it be a church body or a school or school system -- handles the transgression.
The former is on the individual. But the latter is on all the people who participate in that organization who need to clean house and realize that yes, they too have a responsibility...and that responsibility is not to protect the organization...and yet that's exactly what some church bodies and school and school systems have done. It's all the more serious on the religious level.
What do you ever see happen to the people above all these abusive teachers...or to the system that hired people like them?
In the recent case I linked...the government officials (the same government that employees the teacher) gave her 2 months time, while it was recommended she get 40 years.
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