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Few reasons (not an attack, just a surmise)
For the intellectual conversation that is lacking in A&A?
Fear of vanishing into meaningless blur if no noise is made?
Do the most noise even if only for negative attention?
An opportunity to take out all frustration on somebody, anybody?
Feel free to add to the list.
For the same reasons theists post here, to discuss religion and spirituality? Something three religious posters are not doing.
If you are really looking for the TRUTH of how the world really is...here it is: For over a thousand years the concept of Christianity has been widely held, of the highest esteem & exalted.
Atheism is considered the lowest of the low, comparatively. Stuff like the attitude displayed here, is a big reason.
I didn't make it that way...it just IS.
THAT is the TRUTH.
THIS is the TRUTH: There is NO evidence whatsoever to support Jesus or the apostles ever existing. THAT is the TRUTH.
What makes you more of an expert than the expert historians of antiquity?
I know that Jesus is real from my expectant waiting.
I agree with you on one level. I do think that most historians believe that Jesus was a real human being.
I disagree with you on an assumption than I think you probably make: that a historian coming to the conclusion that Jesus was a real person means that the tales of the bible about Jesus are true.
The best lesson regarding this manufacture of history can be seen in the case of the history this nation with George Washington. Many of the things we were taught about Washington throughout our public schooling have since been debunked. And those things happened (or didn't happen) only a bit over 200 years ago, and the various miraculous things that Jesus supposedly did happened over 2,000 years ago...meaning no substantial evidence. Even if you could prove that Jesus was crucified, there is certainly no clear historical evidence that he rose on the third day, ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of god. And, most of the christians here on the site admit that -- perhaps accidentally -- when they tell us how important FAITH is.
Few reasons (not an attack, just a surmise)
For the intellectual conversation that is lacking in A&A?
Fear of vanishing into meaningless blur if no noise is made?
Do the most noise even if only for negative attention?
An opportunity to take out all frustration on somebody, anybody?
Feel free to add to the list.
THIS is the TRUTH: There is NO evidence whatsoever to support Jesus or the apostles ever existing. THAT is the TRUTH.
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Virtually all scholars of antiquity and today accept that Jesus was a historical figure, and attempts to deny his historicity have been consistently rejected by the scholarly consensus as a fringe theory
THIS is the TRUTH: There is NO evidence whatsoever to support Jesus or the apostles ever existing. THAT is the TRUTH.
So you keep obsessively saying by way of extensive diatribes (that most Christians/Religious would consider mocking & disrespectful) in thread after thread and post after post.
And how has that been workin out for ya (on a Effort to Results ratio) as respects slowing the growth of the belief & embrace of those things you claim are not true, from the majority of the world's population that already have concluded for themselves that you are wrong?
Keep spitting into that strong wind and pounding that sand...you're doing great at that!
valuable insights above.
adding to the list:
doubt. self-doubt, and doubt about their own path
a simple lack of tolerance for views different than their own
inability to simply allow others to have different views and walk a different path
can't feel they are "right" without labeling others "wrong"
easier to look down on others "out there," than work on self and look "within"
Another attack.
I guess we should forgive them since they know not what they do, to coin a phrase.
I agree with you on one level. I do think that most historians believe that Jesus was a real human being.
I disagree with you on an assumption than I think you probably make: that a historian coming to the conclusion that Jesus was a real person means that the tales of the bible about Jesus are true.
The best lesson regarding this manufacture of history can be seen in the case of the history this nation with George Washington. Many of the things we were taught about Washington throughout our public schooling have since been debunked. And those things happened (or didn't happen) only a bit over 200 years ago, and the various miraculous things that Jesus supposedly did happened over 2,000 years ago...meaning no substantial evidence. Even if you could prove that Jesus was crucified, there is certainly no clear historical evidence that he rose on the third day, ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of god. And, most of the christians here on the site admit that -- perhaps accidentally -- when they tell us how important FAITH is.
What is important to clarify, phet (and you did to a great extent) is to stress that when historians believe that Jesus was a real person, Christians don't think, "Aha! You see? Jesus Christ was real!" That's not the case. Historians THINK Jesus Christ of the gospels may have been based on an ordinary human being who lived in Israel and in some way they don't know or aren't sure of got himself crucified. It was upon this anonymous figure that the legend/myth of Jesus evolved, in the same way that historians might think that Hercules could have been based upon some muscle-bound idiot who performed feats of strength. That's how legends often start.
But it is critical to note that although they may believe such a man existed they have absolutely no historical proof of such a character. It's just an assumption.
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