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As long as we now agree that the bible is "not historically factual"...I'm fine.
LOL! NOT "historically factual"? Even much of history isn't "historically factual"!
You were a teacher for many years, phet. Weren't you teaching that the Native American Indians were scalping the white man...and not that they learned it FROM the white man, because the white man did it to them FIRST?
Didn't you teach that our solar system had NINE planets instead of EIGHT?
Weren't a lot of people taught that the atom was the SMALLEST of things, only later on to discover that, once we *smash* it, a whole bunch of stuff comes out?
Sorry, but this whole idea of "historical fact" boggles my mind. "Factual" history has been re-written time and time again.
I could almost guarantee you, that some of the secular historical "facts" you believe in, even today, aren't even true...
LOL! NOT "historically factual"? Even much of history isn't "historically factual"!
You were a teacher for many years, phet. Weren't you teaching that the Native American Indians were scalping the white man...and not that they learned it FROM the white man, because the white man did it to them FIRST?
Didn't you teach that our solar system had NINE planets instead of EIGHT?
Weren't a lot of people taught that the atom was the SMALLEST of things, only later on to discover that, once we *smash* it, a whole bunch of stuff comes out?
Sorry, but this whole idea of "historical fact" boggles my mind. "Factual" history has been re-written time and time again.
I could almost guarantee you, that some of the secular historical "facts" you believe in, even today, aren't even true...
I taught science, so no I didn't teach anything about scalping.
Whether Pluto should be a planet or not is still being debated.
So, you're agreeing that the bible is not historically accurate. Cool!
I taught science, so no I didn't teach anything about scalping.
Whether Pluto should be a planet or not is still being debated.
So, you're agreeing that the bible is not historically accurate. Cool!
You know I didn't say that...
And as far as Pluto being debated as a planet, it wasn't being debated when *I* was in school. No science teacher EVER said, "It's being debated." As far as THEY were concerned, it was a fact.
Seems to be there are lots of "facts" out there that turned out NOT to be "facts" at all. Even in your secular world.
And as far as Pluto being debated as a planet, it wasn't being debated when *I* was in school. No science teacher EVER said, "It's being debated." As far as THEY were concerned, it was a fact.
Seems to be there are lots of "facts" out there that turned out NOT to be "facts" at all. Even in your secular world.
Here's what you said:
"Even much of history isn't "historically factual"!"
"Sorry, but this whole idea of "historical fact" boggles my mind. "Factual" history has been re-written time and time again."
Did you never hear a christian say that the bible is factual history?
Did you never hear a christian say that the bible was literally written by god?
Much of the bible IS factual history. Archaeological evidence proves that, whether to be considered 'biblical' or secular.
Do you believe that once that bible was written, that Christians STOPPED looking for evidence? People are still on the hunt for Noah's Ark...and the Ark of the Covenant. After how many thousands of years, they still haven't given up hope. Many have come before them and claimed, "THIS is Noah's Ark!" The Catholic church didn't simply swallow that claim, nor do they swallow other claims to some 'divine thing'.
The Church doesn't want to be wrong any more than secular people want to be wrong.
And yes, I have heard Christians say that the bible was literally written by God. Then again, what does that even mean?
Written by God's hand? With His 'pen'? On His 'tablet'? His words, written in hand, dictated to someone else?
Does ALL of that really matter?
You've said yourself phet that it's about the message. Christians believe that it matters WHO brought the message... a message that wasn't brought before them. While the message was written, it wasn't written as gospel, UNTIL it was written. Until that point, it was only oral.
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