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Old 10-19-2022, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Germany
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And... why aren't you highlighting his mocking of those believing in a God? I know why, because you atheists have one position for yourselves, and a different position for others. You have zero consistency and integrity. Thanks for exposing your ways, as we can all see and read clearly before our eyes.
Actually it is because I stopped reading his long posts weeks ago, the tax man needs my money, so no, you do not know, and your conclusion is based on your ignorance about why I have not responded to Thrill.

May I recommend you find a good optician for your failing eyesight.
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Old 10-19-2022, 09:46 AM
 
Location: Germany
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Correct. But it does strongly imply that there was some *there* there.
Yes, the Christians existed. But what did they believe? A divine angel as in Paul and Hebrews, or a historical Jesus found in the gospels?
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Old 10-19-2022, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Alabama
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Finding simple, unreasonable answers to questions they couldn't fathom.
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Old 10-19-2022, 09:50 AM
 
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But what of their motivations?

The same motives that compelled Paul to build all those churches. It's all part and parcel of the same dynamic. Assume Herodotus had the means. He believed in Zeus as Paul believed in Jesus. He built a temple to Zeus as Paul built churches to Jesus. Both believed in their gods and both wanted to get others to believe in and worship their gods.
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Old 10-19-2022, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Alabama
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Yes, the Christians existed. But what did they believe? A divine angel as in Paul and Hebrews, or a historical Jesus found in the gospels?
Mainstream historic Christianity has had no difficulty in harmonizing the Christ of the Gospels with the Christ of Paul's letters.

This is simply not a real problem, but a "problem" of your own making.
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Old 10-19-2022, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Alabama
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The same motives that compelled Paul to build all those churches. It's all part and parcel of the same dynamic. Assume Herodotus had the means. He believed in Zeus as Paul believed in Jesus. He built a temple to Zeus as Paul built churches to Jesus. Both believed in their gods and both wanted to get others to believe in and worship their gods.
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Old 10-19-2022, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Middle America
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Actually it is because I stopped reading his long posts weeks ago, the tax man needs my money, so no, you do not know, and your conclusion is based on your ignorance about why I have not responded to Thrill.

May I recommend you find a good optician for your failing eyesight.
Apologies if you got lumped in the same boat as Thrill, but it sounded like the same sentiment as coming from him.

I'm glad to say, that if I lost my eyesight, it would only magnify my other senses, including the sense of the spiritual, which agnostics and atheists do no allow themselves to be aware of. In a way, I'd welcome the intensifying of the other senses. All humans can benefit from that, where their eyes work or not. It's the same as with our brains, since we likely only use a small portion of most of the time, but which should be expanded.
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Old 10-19-2022, 10:00 AM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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No, you are presuming the apostles wrote the gospels. It is the gospel writers who created the mythical characters, not the apostles, who I agree saw something. The question is what did they see?
I didn't make any statements concerning who wrote the gospels but I do believe that Matthew and John were indeed written by the apostles bearing those names, while Mark and Luke were written by close associates of the apostles. But leaving that aside, regardless of who the actual gospel writers were, the earliest followers of Jesus did see something which they believed was the risen Jesus and therefore it follows that they were not following a mythical character that was based on other mythical characters. Christianity began because Jesus' disciples actually believed that they saw Jesus risen from the grave whether or not they actually did.
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Old 10-19-2022, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Thanks.
My pleasure.
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Old 10-19-2022, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Apologies if you got lumped in the same boat as Thrill, but it sounded like the same sentiment as coming from him.

I'm glad to say, that if I lost my eyesight, it would only magnify my other senses, including the sense of the spiritual, which agnostics and atheists do no allow themselves to be aware of. In a way, I'd welcome the intensifying of the other senses. All humans can benefit from that, where their eyes work or not. I'm all about maximizing all that we can benefit from, instead of limiting nearly everything.
So will you pray for that to happen?
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