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Old 07-26-2023, 06:40 AM
 
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The main message of Moses and Jesus is to obey Allah,
in other word to submit to Allah and that is Islam

Islam is submission To Allah ,

The religion of Moses is submission To Allah = Islam
The religion of Jesus is submission To Allah = Islam


the correct religion is only one and that is submission to Allah and that is Islam.

the idea is not to obey Moses or Jesus or Muhammed
the idea is to obey Allah the only god who sent them
and Allah said obey Muhammed.
Allah said obey Muhammad to Muslims, and Muslims obey Allah
Allah, whom Christians call God said obey Jesus to Christians. And Christians obey God.
People who speak different languages other than Arabic call Divinity by different names and obey.
God is one, his message is one, his messengers are many.

 
Old 07-26-2023, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Originally Posted by truth_teller View Post
The main message of Moses and Jesus is to obey Allah,
in other word to submit to Allah and that is Islam

Islam is submission To Allah ,

The religion of Moses is submission To Allah = Islam
The religion of Jesus is submission To Allah = Islam


the correct religion is only one and that is submission to Allah and that is Islam.

the idea is not to obey Moses or Jesus or Muhammed
the idea is to obey Allah the only god who sent them
and Allah said obey Muhammed.
Of course, that doesn't actually respond to what I posted.

Besides, the correct religion is Buddhism. (See, I can play that game, too).
 
Old 07-26-2023, 11:22 AM
 
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Allah said obey Muhammad to Muslims, and Muslims obey Allah
Allah, whom Christians call God said obey Jesus to Christians. And Christians obey God.
People who speak different languages other than Arabic call Divinity by different names and obey.
God is one, his message is one, his messengers are many.
But obedience is the initial and immature response to the "INSTRUCTIONS" received by inspiration. The mature response is to BECOME a person who understands and agrees with the purpose, principle, and desired outcome behind the "instructions," NOT an "obeyer" of "commands."
 
Old 07-26-2023, 12:31 PM
 
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But obedience is the initial and immature response to the "INSTRUCTIONS" received by inspiration. The mature response is to BECOME a person who understands and agrees with the purpose, principle, and desired outcome behind the "instructions," NOT an "obeyer" of "commands."
The way one obeys, surrenders, submits to Divinity are all according to individual needs, inspiration, spirituality. There is nothing immature or mature about spirituality. The same person may need to worship one way one day and another way on another day. Even monks who have renounced all pray, worship. All are good.
Dont by so judgy. That demonstrates spiritual immaturity.
 
Old 07-26-2023, 01:02 PM
 
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The way one obeys, surrenders, submits to Divinity are all according to individual needs, inspiration, spirituality. There is nothing immature or mature about spirituality. The same person may need to worship one way one day and another way on another day. Even monks who have renounced all pray, worship. All are good.
Dont by so judgy. That demonstrates spiritual immaturity.
You gotta be kidding me!
 
Old 07-26-2023, 01:09 PM
 
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The way one obeys, surrenders, submits to Divinity are all according to individual needs, inspiration, spirituality. There is nothing immature or mature about spirituality. The same person may need to worship one way one day and another way on another day. Even monks who have renounced all pray, worship. All are good.
Don't be so judgy. That demonstrates spiritual immaturity.
I did not judge ANYONE. I interpreted the inspirations. When our children interpret our instructions, they consider them to be commands to be obeyed, not instructions on how to become an adult. That is the result of immaturity. The same applies to our response to God's instructions received as inspirations. When we interpret them as commands to be obeyed and not as instructions on how to become spiritually adult that is the result of spiritual immaturity. YOUR post just judged me as spiritually immature.
 
Old 07-26-2023, 10:25 PM
 
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Allah said obey Muhammad to Muslims, and Muslims obey Allah
Allah, whom Christians call God said obey Jesus to Christians. And Christians obey God.
People who speak different languages other than Arabic call Divinity by different names and obey.
God is one, his message is one, his messengers are many.
every previous messenegr, Allah sent him to his own people only
but Muhammad is the final messenger and Allah sent him for all the people

Say (O Muhammad): O mankind! Lo! I am the messenger of Allah to you all
- (the messenger of) Him unto Whom belongeth the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth.
There is no Allah save Him. He quickeneth and He giveth death.
So believe in Allah and His messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write,
who believeth in Allah and in His Words,
and follow him that haply ye may be led aright.
The Holy Quran


The Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) said
By Him in Whose hand is the life of Muhammad,
he who amongst the community of jews or Christians hears about me,
but does not affirm his belief in that with which I have been sent
and dies in this state (of disbelief),
he shall be but one of the denizens of Hell-Fire.
 
Old 07-26-2023, 10:51 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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every previous messenegr, Allah sent him to his own people only
but Muhammad is the final messenger and Allah sent him for all the people

Say (O Muhammad): O mankind! Lo! I am the messenger of Allah to you all
- (the messenger of) Him unto Whom belongeth the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth.
There is no Allah save Him. He quickeneth and He giveth death.
So believe in Allah and His messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write,
who believeth in Allah and in His Words,
and follow him that haply ye may be led aright.
The Holy Quran


The Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him) said
By Him in Whose hand is the life of Muhammad,
he who amongst the community of jews or Christians hears about me,
but does not affirm his belief in that with which I have been sent
and dies in this state (of disbelief),
he shall be but one of the denizens of Hell-Fire.
You seem incapable of understanding that people of other religions, as well as atheists, simply don't believe in your religion.

My advice: get over it.
 
Old 07-26-2023, 11:38 PM
 
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whosoever receives guidance, he does so for the good of his own self
and whosoever goes astray, he does so to his own loss
 
Old 07-27-2023, 01:03 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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whosoever receives guidance, he does so for the good of his own self
and whosoever goes astray, he does so to his own loss
And perhaps you're the one who needs guidance to discover a more peaceful religion.
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