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i understand the concept of Eternal perfectly well. I wasn't even arguing that. i was arguing your analogy about colour., which was logically flawed.
so if you understand eternal then it makes sense there is no origin.
no beginning, no end
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Originally Posted by TRANSPONDER
As has been remarked before, it makes no sense to postulate a complex being that existed without any origin of its' own. It is a convenient claim for theism, to be sure, but that doesn't make it coherent. cogent or compelling.
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so if you understand eternal then it makes sense there is no origin.
no beginning, no end
Yes, the universe as we know it and all beyond that which we don't know is 'eternal'. The earth that we live on is only a part of it, however it came into being and is, quite probably, a very small part which may or may not continue to exist in that "eternal" composition.
Yes, the universe as we know it and all beyond that which we don't know is 'eternal'. The earth that we live on is only a part of it, however it came into being and is, quite probably, a very small part which may or may not continue to exist in that "eternal" composition.
anything physical in the universe is not eternal.
because that which is physical matter has a beginning and an end.
so it is not eternal.
earth, trees, mountains, penguins, sun, stars, rocket ships, houses
are not eternal.
the creative source that created each of these is eternal.
so if you understand eternal then it makes sense there is no origin.
no beginning, no end
That i understand what eternal means does not mean that there is a complex being that is eternal. And eternal something that has a nature that would not require (intuitively) some origin seems the only answer to this problem. a complex being with no origin would seem counter - intuitive.
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Originally Posted by Tzaphkiel
anything physical in the universe is not eternal.
because that which is physical matter has a beginning and an end.
so it is not eternal.
earth, trees, mountains, penguins, sun, stars, rocket ships, houses
are not eternal.
the creative source that created each of these is eternal.
Well, that would seem to be evolution. In the very broadest sense.
earth, trees, mountains, penguins, sun, stars, rocket ships, houses
are not eternal.
.
Nothing I said disagrees with that.
Just like you have to think/speculate beyond what we know of as the universe to come up with a god, so ,also, do you have to think beyond that to speculate on another answer. Stopping at the rather easy answer of 'must be a god' does not mean it's the correct one.
The problem is determining what that eternal source is. Quantum fluctuations! And an eternal, infinite source of spacetime.
do "quantum fluctuations" (whatever that is) love you, the way a mother loves her newborn baby, only a thousand times greater than that? Do "quantum fluctuations" know you and comfort you and fill you with peace, benevolence, and compassion?
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