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If he wants to be there? Did he have a choice to be born or not?
whats the point of creating us on earth for 70-100 years just to be loved no matter what in heaven in the end?
Ever think about that?
These are vacuous questions that you keep posing centering around WHY things are as they are. The only answer is that God is a living being and we are how God reproduces. Life reproduces itself, period.
These are vacuous questions that you keep posing centering around WHY things are as they are. The only answer is that God is a living being and we are how God reproduces. Life reproduces itself, period.
Why do you have a problem with questions being asked?
I'm not attempting to speak for any Christian but myself in answering your questions, and I'm not attempting to state my opinions as if they are fact. Please just understand that.
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If he chooses not, what happens to him?
He will go to a place from which God's glory is entirely absent.
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By what means is he given a prebirth choice?
I believe we all existed in spirit form before our birth, and resided with God, who gave us this choice.
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Can you tell me the number one thing there is about heaven if love isn’t it, please?
I think everything in Heaven is founded upon love. I never meant to imply that it's not. As a Christian, though, I believe that everyone will be rewarded according to their works. The greatest reward would be to be given the opportunity to reach our full potential and become like God. As C.S. Lewis put it:
“The command Be ye perfect is not idealistic gas. Nor is it a command to do the impossible. He is going to make us into creatures that can obey that command. He said (in the Bible) that we were “gods” and He is going to make good His words. If we let Him – for we can prevent Him, if we choose – He will make the feeblest and filthiest of us into a god or goddess, dazzling, radiant, immortal creature, pulsating all through with such energy and joy and wisdom and love as we cannot now imagine, a bright stainless mirror which reflects back to God perfectly (though, of course, on a smaller scale) His own boundless power and delight and goodness. The process will be long and in parts very painful; but that is what we are in for. Nothing less. He meant what He said."
I'm not attempting to speak for any Christian but myself in answering your questions, and I'm not attempting to state my opinions as if they are fact. Please just understand that.
He will go to a place from which God's glory is entirely absent.
I believe we all existed in spirit form before our birth, and resided with God, who gave us this choice.
I think everything in Heaven is founded upon love. I never meant to imply that it's not. As a Christian, though, I believe that everyone will be rewarded according to their works. The greatest reward would be to be given the opportunity to reach our full potential and become like God. As C.S. Lewis put it:
“The command Be ye perfect is not idealistic gas. Nor is it a command to do the impossible. He is going to make us into creatures that can obey that command. He said (in the Bible) that we were “gods” and He is going to make good His words. If we let Him – for we can prevent Him, if we choose – He will make the feeblest and filthiest of us into a god or goddess, dazzling, radiant, immortal creature, pulsating all through with such energy and joy and wisdom and love as we cannot now imagine, a bright stainless mirror which reflects back to God perfectly (though, of course, on a smaller scale) His own boundless power and delight and goodness. The process will be long and in parts very painful; but that is what we are in for. Nothing less. He meant what He said."
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He will go to a place from which God's glory is entirely absent.
Can you describe this place which gods glory is entirely absent and what he will experience for all eternity?
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I believe we all existed in spirit form before our birth, and resided with God, who gave us this choice.
This is where it jumps the shark with me, if we've existed before our birth (in heaven?) then what is the reason for a brief moment on a planet where many people die painfully only to choose to live in paradise or not in the end?
I'm not attempting to speak for any Christian but myself in answering your questions, and I'm not attempting to state my opinions as if they are fact. Please just understand that.
He will go to a place from which God's glory is entirely absent.
I believe we all existed in spirit form before our birth, and resided with God, who gave us this choice.
I think everything in Heaven is founded upon love. I never meant to imply that it's not. As a Christian, though, I believe that everyone will be rewarded according to their works. The greatest reward would be to be given the opportunity to reach our full potential and become like God. As C.S. Lewis put it:
“The command Be ye perfect is not idealistic gas. Nor is it a command to do the impossible. He is going to make us into creatures that can obey that command. He said (in the Bible) that we were “gods” and He is going to make good His words. If we let Him – for we can prevent Him, if we choose – He will make the feeblest and filthiest of us into a god or goddess, dazzling, radiant, immortal creature, pulsating all through with such energy and joy and wisdom and love as we cannot now imagine, a bright stainless mirror which reflects back to God perfectly (though, of course, on a smaller scale) His own boundless power and delight and goodness. The process will be long and in parts very painful; but that is what we are in for. Nothing less. He meant what He said."
Another question if you don't mind?
If we had a choice to be born or not, did we have a choice to be the spirit in the beginning?
Can you describe this place which gods glory is entirely absent and what he will experience for all eternity?
In my denomination, it is referred to as "Outer Darkness." There is not much in the way of what I would call "official LDS doctrine" on this subject, a fact which I suspect is due to the fact that so few individuals will end up there. I could go into more detail on the circumstances in which a person might find himself in Outer Darkness, but I'm not sure that's really what you're asking about. It is reserved for those who have come to a perfect knowledge of who God is and who, regardless of that knowledge, will stand before Him and deny Him. It's not just a place where so-called "bad people" end up going.
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This is where it jumps the shark with me, if we've existed before our birth (in heaven?) then what is the reason for a brief moment on a planet where many people die painfully only to choose to live in paradise or not in the end?
This takes us into some pretty deep LDS doctrine, which I hesitate to delve into at this point. I wouldn't mind doing so in another thread devoted to the subject, but I have a real thing about hijacking other people's threads to talk in much detail about my beliefs. To answer your question as briefly as I can, I believe this life (even if it ends up being over 100 years) is but a split second in time when compared with eternity. I believe we need to have the experiences of mortality in order to be able to move to the next step in our progression.
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if we've existed before our birth (in heaven?) then what is the reason for a brief moment on a planet where many people die painfully only to choose to live in paradise or not in the end?
