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Old 11-08-2009, 08:26 PM
 
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Wouldn't atheism follow this same line of reasoning?
Isn't atheism a belief system?
No, atheism, apolitical, all such "a" prefixed words denote a complete lack thereof.

Comments equating atheism with a religion is merely a lame attempt to make the athiest believe they are indeed religious, an attempt that fails everytime and only served to lower the person's credibility.
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Old 11-08-2009, 08:35 PM
 
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No, atheism, apolitical, all such "a" prefixed words denote a complete lack thereof.

Comments equating atheism with a religion is merely a lame attempt to make the athiest believe they are indeed religious, an attempt that fails everytime and only served to lower the person's credibility.
I didn't mean it as a religion.
I mean it is a world (or life) view.....believing in random circumstances and luck to get to this stage of developement.
Therefore making it a belief system.
Couldn't one be brainwashed and coerced into being an atheist?
Couldn't one 'convert' to atheism to fit in to a group just to be rebellious of religous parents?
I'm just saying that the post could be true to the opposite point of view.
It could be true when directed to ANY group of people.
Why single out religion with it?
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Old 11-08-2009, 08:54 PM
 
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I didn't mean it as a religion.
I mean it is a world (or life) view.....believing in random circumstances and luck to get to this stage of developement.
Therefore making it a belief system.
Couldn't one be brainwashed and coerced into being an atheist?
Couldn't one 'convert' to atheism to fit in to a group just to be rebellious of religous parents?
I'm just saying that the post could be true to the opposite point of view.
It could be true when directed to ANY group of people.
Why single out religion with it?
Again, Atheism, a compelte and utter lack therof.

The moment one introduces any form of belief into the equation, it ceases to be Atheism.

If one doesn;t belief in gnomes, that doesn't make that a belief system.
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Old 11-08-2009, 10:31 PM
 
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A. What is the "right" reason? I didn't see that in your critique.
I have no problem with a well-adjusted and intelligent person coming to a spiritual conclusion, following it, and having the ability to defend it. I can respect that. I can't respect people who are weak and need something to follow or prideful people who just want something to trumpet. That last statement goes for atheists as well.

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D. He does exist, has the power to stop, but chooses to give us free will. Therefore, the sufferings of this world are our fault. Just a thought...
He put too great a burden on us by giving us free will. Also, how can a just born child bear fault for anything? There have been instances in which infants have been treated terribly in the history of our species.
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Old 11-08-2009, 10:37 PM
 
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For #1, actually,

Testable means there is a "yes" or "no" answer.
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If God answers your prayer, wouldn't that be a testable evidence? Why read any religious scripture? If what's in it are words of God, wouldn't that be a testable evidence of God? ...
No, it would not be. We have no verifiable evidence that any religious texts are God's word because they were written by men.
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Old 11-08-2009, 10:42 PM
 
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Wouldn't atheism follow this same line of reasoning?
Isn't atheism a belief system?
Good point. Most atheists I see fall victim to the same problems when following and espousing their belief system. They have a narcissistic pride in declaring their beliefs because they believe that they are right and they want the world to know it. That is never a good reason to follow anything.

I think that all belief systems are, in general, for the weak. That's not to say that all people involved in following something are stupid or misguided, but most are.
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Old 11-08-2009, 10:54 PM
 
Location: NC, USA
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your existance is a verifiable physical evidence of a deity.
Actually, no it isn't, it is proof that I exist.
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Old 11-08-2009, 10:56 PM
 
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Good point. Most atheists I see fall victim to the same problems when following and espousing their belief system. They have a narcissistic pride in declaring their beliefs because they believe that they are right and they want the world to know it. That is never a good reason to follow anything.
Atheism is is not a "belief system". Do you consider non-belief in leprechauns to be a belief system?
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Old 11-08-2009, 11:00 PM
 
Location: NC, USA
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Again, Atheism, a compelte and utter lack therof.

The moment one introduces any form of belief into the equation, it ceases to be Atheism.
Not exactly, I believe I'll have three over easy eggs for breakfast in the morning, this belief does not make me a theist. It is quite possible to eat eggs and not believe in a diety, any diety.
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Old 11-08-2009, 11:06 PM
 
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Atheism is is not a "belief system". Do you consider non-belief in leprechauns to be a belief system?
I have seen it go both ways with atheists. Some do not treat their atheism as a belief system. But, a lot of atheists do - they define themselves by what they think and they seek to project that to the world by braying incessantly in a prideful way about how enlightened they are.
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