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...and that's where it becomes just as much fantasy as you claim something like Christianity is relying on. You have no evidence that there exists the "enormous amounts of time". But since evolution is already correct in the minds of scientists, facts aren't needed to prove it. They use evolution to explain facts instead of the other way around. This is what happens when you don't keep an open mind.
Oh the irony of someone with a "The Bible says it,I believe it,and that settles it" mindset giving a lecture on being open minded.Or is irony even the proper word?Oh well,it is one that is allowed here at least.
What's next?The Westboro Baptist Church giving lectures on being tolerant of people with differing lifestyles when one of their members gets called a fanatic?LOL!
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no fantasy required. "Only the fact's ma'am!" (Sgt. Joe Friday)
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Originally Posted by ray34iyf
...and that's where it becomes just as much fantasy as you claim something like Christianity is relying on. You have no evidence that there exists the "enormous amounts of time". But since evolution is already correct in the minds of scientists, facts aren't needed to prove it. They use evolution to explain facts instead of the other way around. This is what happens when you don't keep an open mind.
And I say "Balder-hahwnk". Back in YOUR face! Your unsupported accusations and deniaism is rank. Scientists, the literal hundreds of millions of them, with millions more graduating each and every year now, are for the most part all honest, diligent and hard-working, and happy to apply the now-accepted and proven-successful Scientific Method to unravel the many questions that our natural curiosity might ask.
By it's design, it offers all you need to know to duplicate and thus refute the conclusions. That's what scientists happliy do; they do not just blindly "accept" anything, but rather are very circumspect about any and all conclusions until the evidence is pretty much irrefutable,. It's their joint reputation on the line after all. Then, when the preponderance of evidence is in and reviewed, the idea becomes a Theory. Which is not a bad guess or hypothesis as you guys all love to loudly blurt out, again showing your huge scientific illiteracy.
So please, by all means, show your rationale and brilliance and refute, via study, honest hard work, and research, whatever you choose to. Else, you're just an insulting loudmouth with no virtually credibility. You just dismissively hand-wave all results and conclusions off, and reject all the well-documented research, despite that you have obviously not taken the time to...
1) read any of it, obviously. And then you just...
2) happily parrot the standard Creationist argument lines, which are conspicuously devoid of any such logic. And finally...
3) you obviously have not the slightest understanding of how Evolution works, of each of it's detailed mechanisms, or of the obvious well-documented evidence, irrefutible BTW, for a very old Earth.
(prove me wrong: write us all with a brief summary of sediment layer evidence, with a particular focus on Lake Baikal in Russia. Off the top of your educated head, within the next half-hour. At least a definition of what such studies are called would be a starting point. No fair cut & pasting; that'd be too obvious! NOTE: I, having led just such research, can write a clear understandable summary in the next 4 - 5 minutes, right off the top of my arrogant, pointy little head...)
That's OK; you just go on this way if it makes you feel good. Ignorance truly is bliss for some. They actually revel in it....
let us see who is the brain dead moron when they declare this ark as the real deal. and i cant believe all my off topic posts are deleted and these posts arent? if off topic posts here are deleted this will only be 10 pages at best.
let us see who is the brain dead moron when they declare this ark as the real deal. and i cant believe all my off topic posts are deleted and these posts arent? if off topic posts here are deleted this will only be 10 pages at best.
They never will. Not going to happen, it is a known fraud. Don't even ask for proof, the links are all through this thread and I am not going to search for you.
how can they call it a fraud? it was only made public last april? u mean in a few month's time they already conducted a thorough study of the evidence? that they ACTUALLY went to the site? highly unlikely.
let us see who is the brain dead moron when they declare this ark as the real deal. and i cant believe all my off topic posts are deleted and these posts arent? if off topic posts here are deleted this will only be 10 pages at best.
Or let's just be hypothetical for a brief moment, can you evo? If they can't find it or it turns out to be a bunch of wood foisted up there by that tour guide Ertugrul, can we expect a heartfelt apology from you?
Aside from whatever they find, even if they uncover the original Titanic up there, what would therefore, absolutely, make it The Ark? How so? Because you WANT it to be? That's so very convincing!
The entire global flood scenario is logically impossible, just so you know. We have a known count of 30+ million unique species on this plant now. with no evolving allowed. In fact, given the known extinct species, and the rate they're fibding new ones each month, the conservative prediction is that it's closer to 60 - 100 million.
About 80% of those are sexual reproducers, so let's just say there'd need to be at a minimum 150 million if just two of each would cut it, which it won't. So, in fact, doing the real numbers, it would take about 800 million to 1 billion species on the barge. But who's counting, huh? 1600 oughta do it just fine! Yuppers! We's so smahrt!
But just for giggles, evo, just how did the claimed 1600, or that alternate number of 35,000, animals completely repopulate this entire planet, especially when they were let out of that unheated, lightless, water and food-free, unpowered, non-steerable barge at the frozen, lifeless, vegetation and prey-species devoid 15,000 foot level on an icefield? How, exactly does an Amazonian parrot who lives specifically on ripe mangos and ripe nuts find what he and his sole, lonely "freezing to death as we speak" mate survive and fly home? Or a eucalyptus-eating Koala pair survive up there? By eating rotting frozen veggies?
What about all the salt-water inundated and thus now totally dead plant life? All plant life on the planet, wiped out. Did it just start up again like a giant Chia Pet? Spontaneously? All covered with a thick salt residue and rotting vegetation scum?
Tom/C34 refuses to even speculate on these obviously critical questions, and yet he tries to guarantee the future results some pseudo-scientific CTP expedition as proving it's find before they've even got there.
Huh? How does that work again? In what way is that credible?
Can you answer even one of these questions in a convining way other than Godly MAGIC? I'll accept your belief in Godly MAGIC, but not in a logical rational physical explanation. Because it's simply not possible that way.
And you call yourself rational... Hee hee Such a comedian!
But just for giggles, evo, just how did the claimed 1600, or that alternate number of 35,000, animals completely repopulate this entire planet, especially when they were let out of that unheated, lightless, water and food-free, unpowered, non-steerable barge at the frozen, lifeless, vegetation and prey-species devoid 15,000 foot level on an icefield?
i hope u realize how laughable you are when u question their survival on your scenario when your evolution is more comical. u claim a single cell(?) propagated and evolved animals into human billions and billions of yrs ago with worst environment thaN you pictured above. oh and also plants and trees sprout on your evolution i wonder where their seeds came from. cmon use your imagination thats what the scientists are abundant anyway then hide understanding to people with no science degree by inventing scientfic names which are becoming absurd as time pass by and explain using scientific jargon maybe to sound smart and intimidating?
oh and cephus has reposted his post that u "missed" have a go:
Enough, Tom. The Smithsonian has never mounted an expedition for the Ark. It's a fable of creationist websites (surprise) to provide credibility where there is none.
And the bible says?
Upon the mountains of Ararat. Not Mt. Ararat. Regardless, the claims that the Smithsonian Institute has visited any sites of any claimed Arks is false.
PLEASE, take a little time to read what is stated here.
Genesis 8:4 On the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on the mountians of Ararat.
Another words, on the seventh month the ark was already resting on the montains of Ararat.
YET, in Genesis 8:5 it tells you, the waters continued to recede until the (TENTH MONTH) and (THEN) the tops of the other mountians became visible.
It took another two and a half months before the other mountians were able to be viewed. Its telling you outright, that the Ark landed on the highest mountain, of the mountains of Ararat. And the highest mountain is Mt. Ararat. This is not rocket science.
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no fantasy required. "Only the fact's ma'am!" (Sgt. Joe Friday)
And then you just...
And finally...
More fun from the IDtrs It never stops!
Such a comedian!
