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Old 05-08-2010, 04:39 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Last I heard humility was a hallmark of Christian virtue.
Well, perhaps I should go back and see what this is about. As I said, when I see such threads, I usually become suspicious. There is too much Christian bashing going on, and I'm tired of it. Sometimes I just choose not to participate. It's better on the blood pressure.

Look at what they say about Sarah Palin, and most of it is because of her faith. They hate her for it. That's the kind of country we live in now. What a shame.

Yet our founders were devout believers. History has been rewritten to make them out to be something less; even scoundrels. But their own words tell a different story.

I'm not ashamed of the Gospel of Chist, because it is the power of God, unto salvation. — from the Bible, but I did not put it in quotes because I don't have my Bible at hand so I don't have the exact reference (that's "French" for I'm too lazy to look it up right now!! LOL).
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Old 05-08-2010, 07:25 PM
 
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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John Shore: Ten Ways Christians Tend to Fail at Being Christian

Very interesting article with some solid points. Wish I could post the whole list on here but guess you'll all have to hit the link for the article
This was an interesting article but I strongly disagree with point #6, especially the bolded part:

Quote: "6) Too invasive of others personally. We Christians are too often too eager to get up into the faces of others about their personal religious beliefs. If you believe in the reality of hell, then wanting to save non-Christians from going there is a worthy sentiment, of course. But the bottom line is it's absolutely impossible to talk someone who isn't a Christian into becoming one; in fact, more than anything else it's likely to push the non-Christian further from God. I believe we Christians would do very well indeed to spend our time "just" living as Christians, and let God worry about the non-Christians."

Although I don't personally believe in the in-your-face method of witnessing, Jesus clearly gave us the Great Commission (Matthew 28: 19-20) to share the gospel with unbelievers. We are not responsible for conversion as that is between unbelievers and God; but how can they make a choice of accepting or rejecting the message if they haven't heard the gospel message for themselves (Romans 10:13-15)?
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Old 05-08-2010, 07:44 PM
 
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We are not responsible for conversion as that is between unbelievers and God; but how can they make a choice of accepting or rejecting the message if they haven't heard the gospel message for themselves (Romans 10:13-15)?
Hearing the gospel message would be fine, if only Christians themselves weren't in the way with their own conduct/ misrepresentation.

I believe there's great wisdom behind why so much of the bible is written in parable format. It encourages people to think deeply into the why of things even though that era is so far removed from us now. There are very few thou shalt not's by comparison.
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Old 05-08-2010, 07:49 PM
 
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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Hearing the gospel message would be fine, if only Christians themselves weren't in the way with their own conduct/ misrepresentation.

I believe there's great wisdom behind why so much of the bible is written in parable format. It encourages people to think deeply into the why of things even though that era is so far removed from us now. There are very few thou shalt not's by comparison.
I agree with you as one of the greatest witnessing tools is a changed life and living out their faith.
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Old 05-08-2010, 07:55 PM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
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I've seen polls that show that less than 25% of self proclaimed Christians have actually read the bible.

Makes you wonder what they really believe, don't it?

Christians haven't been Christian since the second Pope took the throne in Rome.
I liked Nietzsche's view: Christianity died on the cross.
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Old 05-08-2010, 08:01 PM
 
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John Shore: Ten Ways Christians Tend to Fail at Being Christian

Very interesting article with some solid points. Wish I could post the whole list on here but guess you'll all have to hit the link for the article
Great list.
It might be interesting to know if any churches preach about the ten points.
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Old 05-09-2010, 06:24 AM
 
Location: Irvine, CA to Keller, TX
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Well, perhaps I should go back and see what this is about. As I said, when I see such threads, I usually become suspicious. There is too much Christian bashing going on, and I'm tired of it. Sometimes I just choose not to participate. It's better on the blood pressure.

Look at what they say about Sarah Palin, and most of it is because of her faith. They hate her for it. That's the kind of country we live in now. What a shame.

Yet our founders were devout believers. History has been rewritten to make them out to be something less; even scoundrels. But their own words tell a different story.

I'm not ashamed of the Gospel of Chist, because it is the power of God, unto salvation. — from the Bible, but I did not put it in quotes because I don't have my Bible at hand so I don't have the exact reference (that's "French" for I'm too lazy to look it up right now!! LOL).
I agree 100% about Christian bashing, especially when it comes from people with not a hint of what it means to be a Christian. On the other hand I think a lot self examination by the body of Christ is long over due.

I thank God that Christ died for my sins and I thank him every day. However God's grace can go only so far considering what is going on today both in and outside the body of Christ. The statistics regarding adultery, divorce, alcoholism, etc.. does not paint a pretty picture of Christians and heathen alike. We need to get our priorities right and turn our eye's toward Christ, be an example of Christ, and the world will be a better place. We need to bi e in the world but not of it. IMHO I would say as a body we are too much in and of the world, time to get back on track before it is too late.
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Old 05-09-2010, 07:04 AM
 
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Christians are Christians because they DO fail.
The perfect people can't be a Christian.
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Old 05-09-2010, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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I agree 100% about Christian bashing, especially when it comes from people with not a hint of what it means to be a Christian.
One doesn't have to know "what it means to be a Christian" to be offended by a condescending attitude towards everyone who isn't a Christian. The way we (and I use "we" because I'm not a member of your club) are offhandedly labeled as "non-believers" doesn't exactly inspire sweetness and light.
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Old 05-09-2010, 10:19 AM
 
Location: South Carolina - The Palmetto State
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Yawn. Weak list. He breaks his own rule #3 by his #1 comments. The "sin" of wealth is man-created - Jesus was responding to the rich ruler who he knew in his heart only loved his riches - he was not saying being wealthy was a sin of it's own.

Looks like I put more thought into article that the author did!
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