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Old 11-14-2014, 09:26 AM
 
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Way back about 1973, GM stopped making different models for its different divisions like Chevy, Ponticac, and Olds. They'd come off the same assembly lines with the same drivetrains, just slightly different trim and badging. Over time, consumers wised up and stopped paying more for a Chevy with a Pontiac or Olds nameplate.

As with all things GM, they went the cheapest route possible. It's the flagship of short-sighted American corporate management. I hope they don't go under, but it seems to be more of a concern for me than for the decision-makers at GM.
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Old 11-14-2014, 09:34 AM
 
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I was given an Impala for a rental car the other day. Must say I was a bit impressed with its fancy stuff.
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Old 11-14-2014, 03:04 PM
 
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Way back about 1973, GM stopped making different models for its different divisions like Chevy, Ponticac, and Olds. They'd come off the same assembly lines with the same drivetrains, just slightly different trim and badging. Over time, consumers wised up and stopped paying more for a Chevy with a Pontiac or Olds nameplate.

As with all things GM, they went the cheapest route possible. It's the flagship of short-sighted American corporate management. I hope they don't go under, but it seems to be more of a concern for me than for the decision-makers at GM.
Gmis doing just fine now. They had bad CEO's in the past. Wagner was a bean counter just like roger smith both new nothing about the making of cars. The new CEO is a car person her father was a line worker, she has been with GM since she was 18. She had a enginering degree. She eats and breaths cars. GM has some very nice new products comming out. GM shows what you will see on the road at the international auto show in Detroit. GM is heading in the right direction now.
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Old 11-14-2014, 09:01 PM
 
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I do think that the GM cars are getting better. My parents were GM through and through. Had 3 Chevys, 2 Olds ( including a 98 diesel, UGH) and 6 Caddys. The 05 deVille I inherited and I have to say that each of the Caddys was better than the other. I only bought a '73 Luxury LeMans with the big V8. While not put together that great, it was a trouble free car. Kept it for 12 years. MPG wasn't great though.
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Old 11-16-2014, 11:23 AM
 
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Way back about 1973, GM stopped making different models for its different divisions like Chevy, Ponticac, and Olds. They'd come off the same assembly lines with the same drivetrains, just slightly different trim and badging. Over time, consumers wised up and stopped paying more for a Chevy with a Pontiac or Olds nameplate.

As with all things GM, they went the cheapest route possible. It's the flagship of short-sighted American corporate management. I hope they don't go under, but it seems to be more of a concern for me than for the decision-makers at GM.
It was sad in 1974 when the Pontiac GTO became nothing more than a rebadged Chevy Nova.
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Old 11-16-2014, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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My mid-1980s Oldsmobile had an Oldsmobile V8. The Buick Regal had a Buick V6. Only Pontiac went Corporate as they had no small block except the I4.

I could always ID the mid-1980s G-Bodies from each other. The roof pillar was similar but otherwise rather different.

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Old 11-16-2014, 02:56 PM
 
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It was sad in 1974 when the Pontiac GTO became nothing more than a rebadged Chevy Nova.
Yeah, that was a joke.
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Old 11-16-2014, 03:31 PM
 
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Pontiac and Olds of the 1990s were almost pure crap. El-cheapo plastic interiors and lethargic boat anchor engines coupled to FWD. No wonder Camrys and Accords sold by the bushel.

Only GM could take a fantastic muscle car heritage and waste it.
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Old 11-16-2014, 10:54 PM
 
Location: Louisville KY
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Pretty cool looking. It was underpowered, drove like crap, handeled like crap, only available in an automatic with a V6. It was destined to fail even before it got started
The V6 was the most powerful engine they had at the time with about 295 at the crank.
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Old 11-18-2014, 06:19 AM
 
Location: TX
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The combo of Aurora, Intrique and Alero were better than any other 3 sedans from Buick, Pontiac, Chevy and even Cadillac. Styling and ergonomics were far better than the other divisions. Simple things like being able to use AC in any mode, separate recirculation mode just like the imports had for years. Switch gear was more like the imports.
I really liked the Aurora 4.0 but at the time there was no way I could afford one. So I bought an Intrigue with the 3.5L "shortstar" V6 instead. People at work would ask me if it was an Infiniti when we'd go out to lunch. The interior was so non-American looking at the time. Sadly the car ended up being a disappointment. Had to replace all the power window solenoids, A/C compressor, wheel hubs, lots of other things. Transmission would slip occasionally. Eventually the engine developed a bottom end knock around 110K miles despite religious oil changes and upkeep. Had to dump it for $500. Lesson learned... no more GM for me.
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