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Old 04-26-2019, 09:59 AM
 
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I had a friend that had all of her her hair cut off short like a man's when she was diagnosed with cancer. It may not be the attractive but as her Dr. told her, it beats the pain and shock of it falling out later by the hand full. 1 in 3 get cancer now so I feel certain we'll see this more and more. BTW, cancer killed my friend but she never outwardly looked sick, she didn't last that long. And it hurt her a great deal when people stared at her or make remarks to each other, yes people can be rude. It was the middle of summer and very hot but she finally got a wig and endured it because of the shame she felt. I finally found a cloth turban she could wear which was much cooler. We just never know what anyone is dealing with and besides...it's not our place to judge if it doesn't concern us.
Short haircuts are not the exclusive domain of men. It's only hair. Women and men get to determine the length of their hair.
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Old 04-26-2019, 10:05 AM
 
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The idea that anyone looks -- clothes, makeup, hairdo -- a certain way "to please oneself" is ridiculous; you can't see yourself unless you're looking in a mirror. Dressing for comfort, absolutely. Dressing to impress others (male or female) because their favorable opinion makes you feel good about yourself, sure. But you can't see "yourself."

No it’s not. Finding freedom in your own style is liberating. No dictates of how we are supposed to look, no dictates from others on how we should dress to please them. I’m not the least interested in impressing others. I buy something because I LOvE the pattern and the design will work in a hot climate.
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Old 04-26-2019, 10:07 AM
 
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Yes, I also thought of these types of women as I was writing my post but I left it out because they are (hopefully) in the minority.

When I talked to other women around my age and up, some of the widows have said now that their spouses are gone they can dress and wear their hair as they please. I ask them why couldn't they do that while married and the replies are usually, "Because my husband wanted me to look a certain way."

It's fine to want to please a spouse if it makes everyone happy but not if it's one sided.

Sometimes too, men don't understand what it takes to look a certain way. I remember when we were married, my ex wanted me to wear my hair like Laura Petrie. My very curly, very unruly hair. I told him when he could afford to pay for a professional hairstylist like the one who worked on her hair and the time it would take for upkeep, I would wear my hair like hers.

Some men just don't get the impossible.
And you would think they would choose someone that already met their "standards" not try to make someone conform.
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Old 04-26-2019, 10:09 AM
 
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This must be generational. I don't know a single person around my age group (mid 50's) who would think this way.
I'm in my 50s and the women i mentioned are my age. And that is how they think - weird.
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Old 04-26-2019, 10:19 AM
 
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I'm in my 50s and the women i mentioned are my age. And that is how they think - weird.
That is weird, wonder if it’s a geographical difference, or class/religious difference? I’ve never met anyone who was like that.
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Old 04-26-2019, 10:26 AM
 
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That is weird, wonder if it’s a geographical difference, or class/religious difference? I’ve never met anyone who was like that.
Probably all three.
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Old 04-26-2019, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Lakewood OH
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This must be generational. I don't know a single person around my age group (mid 50's) who would think this way.
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Same here with my age group 60 +
I don't think one can generalize regarding generations. The age group I hang out with includes women in their 50's, 60's, 70's and up. It's all going to depend upon who you hang out with. Obviously, I would more than likely not have much in common with women who were subservient to their husbands regardless of age so judging by that criteria I could say I don't know any woman in my generation or any of the others who does this because they are not in my immediate circle of friends.
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Old 04-26-2019, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Lakewood OH
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And you would think they would choose someone that already met their "standards" not try to make someone conform.
You would, I don't understand the mentality behind this thinking whether it's from a man or woman; that you can change or even have the right to dictate changes to your spouse. In my case that's one of the reasons he was my ex.
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Old 04-26-2019, 10:37 AM
 
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I don't think one can generalize regarding generations. The age group I hang out with includes women in their 50's, 60's, 70's and up. It's all going to depend upon who you hang out with. Obviously, I would more than likely not have much in common with women who were subservient to their husbands regardless of age so judging by that criteria I could say I don't know any woman in my generation or any of the others who does this because they are not in my immediate circle of friends.
What makes you think my life and circle of friends has been limited. Well one part is true I wouldn’t be hanging around with evangelical women, although I did with one for two years but she gave up on me lol! I do agree we can’t generalize.
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Old 04-26-2019, 10:38 AM
 
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I think there are cultural differences even within one state or age group.

We lived a few years where women and men both groomed themselves (or not) for their own reasons. The only disparagments came in response to unhygienic conditions such as strong body odor from not showering. Dress code or hairstyle, so what? I liked the lack of emphasis on those things.

In contrast, here it seems many women dye their hair rather than allowing the gray to show (common where we had lived, above), and wearing makeup is more common. It doesn’t bother me since it is their own hair and body. I just don’t subscribe to it.
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