Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > New York > Rochester area
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 07-17-2023, 01:00 PM
 
Location: western NY
6,414 posts, read 3,128,516 times
Reputation: 10050

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by JWRocks View Post
I'm not aware of any shortage of housing, but if there is, I'd look to the tenants that have ruined property in certain areas.

"Affordable " housing is that which has been subsidized. How hard is that to understand?
Bingo!!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 07-18-2023, 09:07 AM
 
93,190 posts, read 123,783,345 times
Reputation: 18253
Quote:
Originally Posted by JWRocks View Post
I'm not aware of any shortage of housing, but if there is, I'd look to the tenants that have ruined property in certain areas.

"Affordable " housing is that which has been subsidized. How hard is that to understand?
All or many forms of housing has been "subsidized" in some way: https://www.theamericanconservative....ized-suburbia/ . The point I'm making is that housing may have been bought by investors, which may increase rents that are not attainable to more working/lower middle class folks. So, that is likely why the city built housing in the former Inner Loop location, as the demand is there.

Plus, it looks like the housing supply isn't meeting the demand in the area, like many areas, in terms of inventory: https://rochesterbeacon.com/2022/09/...ational-trend/

https://rbj.net/2023/04/11/rochester...its-ever-been/
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-18-2023, 10:36 AM
 
93,190 posts, read 123,783,345 times
Reputation: 18253
From The Urban Phoenix blog, A New Rochester Neighborhood: https://theurbanphoenix.com/2023/06/...-neighborhood/

Seven Years Later: How An Iconic Concert Helped Change Rochester’s Downtown: https://theurbanphoenix.com/2023/07/06/tromboneshorty/
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-18-2023, 04:22 PM
 
Location: western NY
6,414 posts, read 3,128,516 times
Reputation: 10050
Quote:
Originally Posted by ckhthankgod View Post
........... The point I'm making is that housing may have been bought by investors, which may increase rents that are not attainable to more working/lower middle class folks. So, that is likely why the city built housing in the former Inner Loop location, as the demand is there.
I wish somebody could adequately explain why my neither my grandparents, nor my parents, nor I, needed "subsidies" in order to find adequate housing, yet today it seems to be the norm.


Quote:
Originally Posted by ckhthankgod View Post
From The Urban Phoenix blog, A New Rochester Neighborhood: https://theurbanphoenix.com/2023/06/...-neighborhood/

Seven Years Later: How An Iconic Concert Helped Change Rochester’s Downtown: https://theurbanphoenix.com/2023/07/06/tromboneshorty/
I still find it hard to believe that the McCurdy building was torn down. Besides being an institution in downtown Rochester, if housing is so desperately needed, in this area, why wasn't this solid, multi-floor building converted into apartments?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-18-2023, 05:46 PM
 
5,676 posts, read 4,081,937 times
Reputation: 4985
Quote:
Originally Posted by ckhthankgod View Post
All or many forms of housing has been "subsidized" in some way: https://www.theamericanconservative....ized-suburbia/ . The point I'm making is that housing may have been bought by investors, which may increase rents that are not attainable to more working/lower middle class folks. So, that is likely why the city built housing in the former Inner Loop location, as the demand is there.

Plus, it looks like the housing supply isn't meeting the demand in the area, like many areas, in terms of inventory: https://rochesterbeacon.com/2022/09/...ational-trend/

https://rbj.net/2023/04/11/rochester...its-ever-been/
Apparently you don't know this, but when a subdivision is built, THE DEVELOPER builds the roads, along with the sewer, water, and other utilities. The developer then GIFTS that common area to the local municipality. How is that subsidized?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-18-2023, 07:22 PM
 
93,190 posts, read 123,783,345 times
Reputation: 18253
Quote:
Originally Posted by leadfoot4 View Post
I wish somebody could adequately explain why my neither my grandparents, nor my parents, nor I, needed "subsidies" in order to find adequate housing, yet today it seems to be the norm.




I still find it hard to believe that the McCurdy building was torn down. Besides being an institution in downtown Rochester, if housing is so desperately needed, in this area, why wasn't this solid, multi-floor building converted into apartments?
I don’t know if it is the norm, but the middle class was formed after WW2 due to the government providing programs for Veterans to get their footing and that included education and housing. Hence, my point about how housing of different forms have been subsidized. This doesn’t get into the government run Interstate system and road systems that make suburban development even possible, which answers the other post.

It may have been a matter of the structure being sound, but is something the previous owners would have to answer.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-18-2023, 07:24 PM
 
93,190 posts, read 123,783,345 times
Reputation: 18253
Landmark Park Ave. restaurant marks 50 years in business. What's the key to its success?: https://www.democratandchronicle.com...s/70415290007/
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-19-2023, 05:30 AM
 
Location: western NY
6,414 posts, read 3,128,516 times
Reputation: 10050
Quote:
Originally Posted by ckhthankgod View Post
I don’t know if it is the norm, but the middle class was formed after WW2 due to the government providing programs for Veterans to get their footing and that included education and housing. Hence, my point about how housing of different forms have been subsidized. This doesn’t get into the government run Interstate system and road systems that make suburban development even possible, which answers the other post.

It may have been a matter of the structure being sound, but is something the previous owners would have to answer.
My father was a WWII veteran, who literally had his life turned upside down, by his service in the military, yet he survived without any subsidies. At the time the United States entered WWII, and began drafting men into the military, my father was already 25 years old, a married man, with a good job. He was ripped from his established life and sent to Europe, to fight in the war.

When he returned home, he went back to his former employer, hoping to resume his job. From what I remember him saying, decades ago, they pretty much said that they didn't expect him to return, so they hired someone else to do the job that he had. Nice, eh?? Nonetheless, he worked hard and remained on his feet, never getting any form of welfare at all......
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-19-2023, 05:35 AM
 
93,190 posts, read 123,783,345 times
Reputation: 18253
Quote:
Originally Posted by leadfoot4 View Post
My father was a WWII veteran, who literally had his life turned upside down, by his service in the military, yet he survived without any subsidies. At the time the United States entered WWII, and began drafting men into the military, my father was already 25 years old, a married man, with a good job. He was ripped from his established life and sent to Europe, to fight in the war.

When he returned home, he went back to his former employer, hoping to resume his job. From what I remember him saying, decades ago, they pretty much said that they didn't expect him to return, so they hired someone else to do the job that he had. Nice, eh?? Nonetheless, he worked hard and remained on his feet, never getting any form of welfare at all......
So, he didn’t get the GI Bill or any benefits from fighting in the war? That is rare or unheard of, if that is the case and that is only heard of in terms of black and other “minority” soldiers from WW2 not getting benefits for the overwhelming part.

Also, affordable housing doesn’t equal welfare or that people are on welfare. It speaks more to the housing market and factors that may keep working people from being able to obtain solid housing at a reasonable price point for their income. Especially given the older housing stock.

Last edited by ckhthankgod; 07-19-2023 at 06:24 AM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-23-2023, 06:49 PM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
1,884 posts, read 3,445,176 times
Reputation: 1745
Quote:
Originally Posted by leadfoot4 View Post
My father was a WWII veteran, who literally had his life turned upside down, by his service in the military, yet he survived without any subsidies. At the time the United States entered WWII, and began drafting men into the military, my father was already 25 years old, a married man, with a good job. He was ripped from his established life and sent to Europe, to fight in the war.

When he returned home, he went back to his former employer, hoping to resume his job. From what I remember him saying, decades ago, they pretty much said that they didn't expect him to return, so they hired someone else to do the job that he had. Nice, eh?? Nonetheless, he worked hard and remained on his feet, never getting any form of welfare at all......
The same happened at my employer 2001/2002 timeframe. When some reservists came back from Afghanistan they let them go.

Also went on an interview in Rochester in '05, owners told me they don't hire veterans. I looked at them and asked well then why did you bring me in for an interview.

Prejudice and discrimination against veterans happens.

Last edited by HowardRoarke; 07-23-2023 at 06:59 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply

Quick Reply
Message:




Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > New York > Rochester area

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top