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Old 07-30-2009, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Planet Eaarth
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Is it legal to remove your mailbox, and therefore not accept mail? I was told by the post office that:

1. You must keep a mailbox, but you can personally refuse mail by marking the mail "refused" and putting it back in the mailbox. However, I find this to be too tedious.

2. You can remove your mailbox completely and you must sign a contrary order (which I think will put us on a government watchlist, and I don't really want to sign anything). Isn't it my right to refuse mail?

Hardest part is people think we are crazy for not wanting mail- we are not anti-government zealots, we just feel that in this day and age, we don't need mail and it is mostly advertisments, bills, and other junk that only causes stress. We have also given up our cell phones, cable, and email. We are finding life to be a lot less hectic without these "modern conveniences"

Has anyone here removed their mailbox? Do people think you are nuts?
Not accepting mail can put you at risk when it comes to mailed legal documents.
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Old 07-30-2009, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Up in the air
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I'd be worried about jury summons and whatnot though... We had a guy at my old place ignore a jury summons and a sheriff came and served him at work. It wasn't pretty.
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Old 07-30-2009, 02:02 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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I don't know what states those would be since FEMA has pretty much mandated it.
Oh really? Don't need any registered address of any sort in Alaska. Several other states are the same way. Not every state caves into every demand from the almighty big brother. The conspiracy theorist in me tells me I wouldn't want FEMA to have my address. Ever hear of REX 84?
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Old 07-30-2009, 02:47 PM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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Oh really? Don't need any registered address of any sort in Alaska. Several other states are the same way. Not every state caves into every demand from the almighty big brother. The conspiracy theorist in me tells me I wouldn't want FEMA to have my address. Ever hear of REX 84?

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Not your address, it's a physical address. Post Office is somewhat driving it, too. I have the feeling, and I don't have the ambition to check, that the urban areas in Alaska have some form of it. Out in the bush, well, no. This physical address requirement started years ago when the RFD routes started to be phased out.
You and I usually agree on stuff so I don't feel like getting into a pissing contest.
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Old 07-30-2009, 02:50 PM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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Actually, much of the reason that I am removing the mailbox (it is now removed) is to avoid letters for Jury Duty, Court Orders, IRS, lawyers, etc. It will be sent back to the sending party marked "Refused". I figure if they want to find me, they will need to hand deliver a certified letter that must be signed by me, not by anyone else.

Where is it written that I have to have mail? Where is it written that I have to maintain a phone line?
If everyone looks at the original premise, Phish Head doesn't want to get legal documents. Everything else has been fluff.
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Old 07-30-2009, 02:51 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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No.


Not your address, it's a physical address. Post Office is somewhat driving it, too. I have the feeling, and I don't have the ambition to check, that the urban areas in Alaska have some form of it. Out in the bush, well, no. This physical address requirement started years ago when the RFD routes started to be phased out.
You and I usually agree on stuff so I don't feel like getting into a pissing contest.
I know you're referring to physical address. I know what you're talking about. What I'm saying is you don't have to have one everywhere...and I'd prefer being without one.
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Old 07-30-2009, 07:03 PM
 
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Actually, much of the reason that I am removing the mailbox (it is now removed) is to avoid letters for Jury Duty, Court Orders, IRS, lawyers, etc. It will be sent back to the sending party marked "Refused". I figure if they want to find me, they will need to hand deliver a certified letter that must be signed by me, not by anyone else.

Where is it written that I have to have mail? Where is it written that I have to maintain a phone line?

I don't know the law in this particular area. But in Law School there was the concept of "constructive notice", which I seem to recall really just means they have to make a "valid attempt". In that case, running the legalese in the newspaper sufficed (if I recall correctly).

Trust me, as a peon level person, you're not likely to get out of any obligation they want to put on you.

You aren't likely the first, nor will you be the last to try this sort of thing.

You can refuse the mail, but you're not going to sneak out of any obligations the gov't "deems" are yours, LOL!

You don't really think they'd leave a loophole like that for everyday folks now, do you? LOL!
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Old 07-30-2009, 08:04 PM
 
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I don't know the law in this particular area. But in Law School there was the concept of "constructive notice", which I seem to recall really just means they have to make a "valid attempt". In that case, running the legalese in the newspaper sufficed (if I recall correctly).

Trust me, as a peon level person, you're not likely to get out of any obligation they want to put on you.

You aren't likely the first, nor will you be the last to try this sort of thing.

You can refuse the mail, but you're not going to sneak out of any obligations the gov't "deems" are yours, LOL!

You don't really think they'd leave a loophole like that for everyday folks now, do you? LOL!

I doubt that excuse--" I don't have a mailbox"-- would have kept you from being drafted in the 60's .
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Old 08-03-2009, 02:30 PM
 
Location: At the local Wawa
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Well, I gave in, and the mailbox is back with the door removed. Apparently, although it is not illegal, it is frowned upon by nosy neighbors who are making me an unwanted celebrity and a local nutcase.
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Old 08-10-2009, 03:19 PM
 
Location: South of Maine
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Is it legal to remove your mailbox, and therefore not accept mail? I was told by the post office that:

1. You must keep a mailbox, but you can personally refuse mail by marking the mail "refused" and putting it back in the mailbox. However, I find this to be too tedious.

2. You can remove your mailbox completely and you must sign a contrary order (which I think will put us on a government watchlist, and I don't really want to sign anything). Isn't it my right to refuse mail?

Hardest part is people think we are crazy for not wanting mail- we are not anti-government zealots, we just feel that in this day and age, we don't need mail and it is mostly advertisments, bills, and other junk that only causes stress. We have also given up our cell phones, cable, and email. We are finding life to be a lot less hectic without these "modern conveniences"

Has anyone here removed their mailbox? Do people think you are nuts?


How could you raise a RED FLAG with the gov't if you don't have a mail box??
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