Balcones PD pulled me over in SA for registration (New Braunfels: crime, lawyer)

[Bo]

Originally Posted by Soviet

Everyone needs to maintain vigilance & post police locations on Waze.

Probably not a good strategy for avoiding a traffic stop in a city where operating a wireless phone while operating your vehicle is a traffic violation.

[Pancho-Villa]

Easily done by your passenger or your next stopping point.

[TexasRedneck]

.....and as they monitor the reports and relocate, there will be a fresh location to worry over......wonder what would happen if folks simply followed the law - and when they didn't, then accept responsibility for their actions rather than whine about speed traps, etc.? I can remember Selma during their heyday - used to drive that area several times a day back then. Funny thing is......not a single ticket. I simply ensured I stayed under the posted limit. Amazing how that works......

[Pancho-Villa]

Exactly, but they can't relocate quick enough(cop friends of mine complain discuss this).There are thousands locally using Waze at any one time...and if everyone stayed under the limit, there wouldn't be much need for monitoring. Works hand in hand.
There are plenty of opportunities to distribute tickets (and rightly so)..but savvy folks can usually avoid that now. I drive right around the speed limit, as I'm in no hurry, I'll get there. I don't live a stressful, fast paced life at all.

[TexasRedneck]

Originally Posted by Pancho-Villa

I drive right around the speed limit, as I'm in no hurry, I'll get there. I don't live a stressful, fast paced life at all.

Even back when I was still averaging 50k miles/year, I averaged one ticket every 3 years. One agent (who I fired shortly after our conversation) was telling me he would have a hard time placing me if I kept that up. Asked him how many tickets HE had in the last 5 years ("I've only gotten ONE"), then asked how many miles he drove a year (10k). I proceeded to point out that HE averaged at BEST one ticket every 10k miles vs my average of one every 150k miles......

Maybe that's why "speed traps" and such don't bother me - I've driven through towns and cities all over this state, and while some might have been "ticket happy", I EARNED each and every citation I got - and on the few that MAY have been a bit "iffy", there were dozens of other times that I SHOULD have gotten ticketed and didn't.

All goes back to accepting responsibility for our actions......

[sandy paws]

I wonder how many have been in the BH PD shoes. If thier job is to stop all law breakers so be it. Thier job is making your lives safer

[Soviet]

Originally Posted by sandy paws

I wonder how many have been in the BH PD shoes. If thier job is to stop all law breakers so be it. Thier job is making your lives safer

You think it's about safety, is it? I was like you once. One day the delusion was lifted from my eyes by personal experience & circumstantial evidence from others. I hope one day it will happen for you, as well. Best of luck.

[EntropyGuardian]

Police don't give out nearly enough tickets. Tons of people I see every day swerving into other lanes, changing lanes without signaling, tailgating, driving 10-15+ mph over the limit, motorcycles cutting lanes... it never ends. Then, bam. Accident. Someone dies or I am late to get home. Either way, a tragedy to be sure.

[NBTX11]

Originally Posted by TexasRedneck

.....and as they monitor the reports and relocate, there will be a fresh location to worry over......wonder what would happen if folks simply followed the law - and when they didn't, then accept responsibility for their actions rather than whine about speed traps, etc.? I can remember Selma during their heyday - used to drive that area several times a day back then. Funny thing is......not a single ticket. I simply ensured I stayed under the posted limit. Amazing how that works......

See, this is what people are not getting, and still to this moment do not get.

No one is denying that the OP broke the law. He did. What is being debated is whether it was in the officer's jurisdiction to issue a ticket. If it wasn't, the ticket is invalid...EVEN IF THE DRIVER ACTUALLY BROKE THE LAW. Why is that so hard to understand for people.

Let's say you were driving around in, say, New Braunfels, and a Selma police pulled you over and gave you a speeding ticket. THE TICKET IS INVALID. Therefore, whether you actually broke the law or not is irrelevant, it is invalid and unenforceable. How about if a Selma officer was driving around in Barrow Alaska, pulled someone over, and gave them a ticket. I know a ridiculous scenario, but a valid one, given the scenario. I don't think there is one person on earth that would think the Selma officer has the authority, or that the ticket would be valid, to give to a Barrow driver, EVEN IF HE ACTUALLY BROKE THE LAW. It's not in their jurisdiction, and therefore, invalid.

To me this is a no-brainer dismissal by the judge, provided the driver can actually prove there were lies on the ticket. I've had tickets dismissed and completely wiped out, and the judge will usually listen to reason and in many cases dismiss the ticket right away.

[ged_782]

Originally Posted by NBTX11

See, this is what people are not getting, and still to this moment do not get.

No one is denying that the OP broke the law. He did. What is being debated is whether it was in the officer's jurisdiction to issue a ticket. If it wasn't, the ticket is invalid...EVEN IF THE DRIVER ACTUALLY BROKE THE LAW. Why is that so hard to understand for people.

Let's say you were driving around in, say, New Braunfels, and a Selma police pulled you over and gave you a speeding ticket. THE TICKET IS INVALID. Therefore, whether you actually broke the law or not is irrelevant, it is invalid and unenforceable. How about if a Selma officer was driving around in Barrow Alaska, pulled someone over, and gave them a ticket. I know a ridiculous scenario, but a valid one, given the scenario. I don't think there is one person on earth that would think the Selma officer has the authority, or that the ticket would be valid, to give to a Barrow driver, EVEN IF HE ACTUALLY BROKE THE LAW. It's not in their jurisdiction, and therefore, invalid.

To me this is a no-brainer dismissal by the judge, provided the driver can actually prove there were lies on the ticket. I've had tickets dismissed and completely wiped out, and the judge will usually listen to reason and in many cases dismiss the ticket right away.

Balcones Heights and San Antonio have reciprocal agreements, that allow officers to patrol/issue traffic citations within 200 yards of each other's city limits. The point at which the OP says he spotted the BH officer may have been within 200 yards of BH city limits, I can't say for sure. The point at which OP says the officer actually stopped him sounds like it was well with 200 yards. It sounds like the OP is disputing the location the officer listed on the citation, because it was at the point the officer made the stop, not where the officer first noticed the violation, and that the street address where the stop was made is not correct.


I don't think it's a slam dunk dismissal for the OP, and unfortunately, he hasn't been back in the two months since this happened, to give us an update.