Vaccine friendly pedi?? (San Antonio, Melissa, Anton: renting, law, legal)

[mpd33]

I definitely agree with you, Crispy1

[Chaka]

Originally Posted by Crispy1

I don't see the big deal, as a family doc myself, many of the required vaccinations are not detrimental if not given and the illness is contracted, take measles or chickenpox, it is usually a self limited virus with very rare complications, it is only a risk to the unborn baby of a pregnant women. otherwise contracting the measles because you were not vaccinated is no big deal. yet these vaccines are pushed on the public with scare tactics, media hype, and deception

I have come to the conclusion that alot of the revisions and additions to the vaccination schedule are purely profit driven and the cdc, WHO, etc..... are in many instances influenced by not what is right for the health of the public but ulterior motives.

These diseases pose a great risk to anyone who is immunocompromised, infants (too young for the vaccine), as well as pregnant women. It's a public health measure - protecting those who are not able to get vaccinated for other health reasons. It's part of being a responsible member of society.

And you've obviously never spent time in a country where these diseases can and do kill far too frequently. Only reason we don't see the level of disease here that we see elsewhere is because much of the population is vaccinated.

As for WHO and CDC, they're not perfect and do make mistakes, but it's a rare occurrence that there are ulterior motives. That happens, but not often (one example is the HPV requirement that was pushed in Texas, but that was from Perry, not the CDC). Usually these recommendations are based on extensive research not only on the vaccine, but on the disease itself.

[Crispy1]

Originally Posted by Chaka

These diseases pose a great risk to anyone who is immunocompromised, infants (too young for the vaccine), as well as pregnant women. It's a public health measure - protecting those who are not able to get vaccinated for other health reasons. It's part of being a responsible member of society.

And you've obviously never spent time in a country where these diseases can and do kill far too frequently. Only reason we don't see the level of disease here that we see elsewhere is because much of the population is vaccinated.

As for WHO and CDC, they're not perfect and do make mistakes, but it's a rare occurrence that there are ulterior motives. That happens, but not often (one example is the HPV requirement that was pushed in Texas, but that was from Perry, not the CDC). Usually these recommendations are based on extensive research not only on the vaccine, but on the disease itself.

No I have not spent any time 3rd world countries, but we are talking about healthcare in america. And because much of the population here is vaccinated it protects those who do not receive the "required" vaccinations. I agree that yes, it is beneficial for society as a whole and to the immunocompromised, but like i said the people who are healthy and choose not to receive certain vaccinations, they are not in much danger of becoming seriously ill if they do not get some of the vaccinations which are recommended, they are protected by herd immunity. It may not be socially responsible at times, but every individual should have rights and control over their own healthcare and lives.

[Chaka]

Originally Posted by Crispy1

No I have not spent any time 3rd world countries, but we are talking about healthcare in america. And because much of the population here is vaccinated it protects those who do not receive the "required" vaccinations. I agree that yes, it is beneficial for society as a whole and to the immunocompromised, but like i said the people who are healthy and choose not to receive certain vaccinations, they are not in much danger of becoming seriously ill if they do not get some of the vaccinations which are recommended, they are protected by herd immunity. It may not be socially responsible at times, but every individual should have rights and control over their own healthcare and lives.

They are protected because most people choose to do the socially responsible thing.

Of course, we can all choose to NOT do the responsible thing, then they are no longer protected. Lucky for them most people recognize their role in society.

There is a limit to a person's rights when it negatively impacts another's health. In public health, our job is to protect the population as a whole.

[melpatt03]

This is all based on that we THINK vaccines are responsible for our healthcare today. If you do the research -most diseases disappeared WAY before vaccines were introduced due to public healthcare, sanitation, and major improvements in nutrition and regulation on these industries. The CDC website shows a graph from 1950s and on showing the so called drop in diseases, but if you look at other graphs that start at the turn of the century, vaccines were only introduced at the tail end of the almost non existant disease and yet they get all the "credit". So being a responsible citizen depends on how you look at vaccines all together. This debate can go on forever. Back to my original question....anyone know of any doctors? Crispy1 are you a family doc in the area?

[Crispy1]

Originally Posted by melpatt03

This is all based on that we THINK vaccines are responsible for our healthcare today. If you do the research -most diseases disappeared WAY before vaccines were introduced due to public healthcare, sanitation, and major improvements in nutrition and regulation on these industries. The CDC website shows a graph from 1950s and on showing the so called drop in diseases, but if you look at other graphs that start at the turn of the century, vaccines were only introduced at the tail end of the almost non existant disease and yet they get all the "credit". So being a responsible citizen depends on how you look at vaccines all together. This debate can go on forever. Back to my original question....anyone know of any doctors? Crispy1 are you a family doc in the area?

i will be a family doc in the area in the next couple months, havne't moved to sa yet

[Crispy1]

Originally Posted by Chaka

They are protected because most people choose to do the socially responsible thing.

Of course, we can all choose to NOT do the responsible thing, then they are no longer protected. Lucky for them most people recognize their role in society.

There is a limit to a person's rights when it negatively impacts another's health. In public health, our job is to protect the population as a whole.

you sound like a socialists!!

[rd2007]

Originally Posted by Crispy1

who is your doctor, pm me is u must

Originally Posted by Crispy1

you sound like a socialists!!

Originally Posted by Crispy1

i will be a family doc in the area in the next couple months, havne't moved to sa yet

There absolutely must be a way of stopping this! Seriously? You can't possibly be serious..

[Chaka]

Originally Posted by Crispy1

you sound like a socialists!!

Note the entire statement:
There is a limit to a person's rights when it negatively impacts another's health. In public health, our job is to protect the population as a whole.

Remember that when you're exposed to MDR-TB because someone near you exercised their "right" not to take their medication and refused to self-isolate, putting everybody at risk from a disease that is increasingly difficult to cure.

And I'm just one person, so it's socialist singular (no 's'), thank you very much.

[Midorigreen]

Look, this is a largely personal decision....and the op was asking for specific information on finding a caregiver for her child that would respect her/his wishes - that's it.

This person wasn't asking for a lecture or for someone to try to change his/her mind. Until the laws change, it is their right to make this decision.

So....let's just agree to disagree and avoid using this forum for imposing our beliefs on others. Can't we all just get along???