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Old 04-25-2019, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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And heck, the more the authorities harass them the sooner they get shaves and haircuts and suits and cars and jobs, right?
Yup. All the formerly homeless that were once harrassed now drive Teslas dontcha know.
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Old 04-25-2019, 03:23 PM
 
Location: SF/Mill Valley
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No I am being 100% real, you do not let homeless defecate on the streets, spit on people's face, aggressively panhandle. Warn them first and then arrest them when they don't comply. This is what every other functional city does. You 'protect' the quality of life for the public at large, not run a 'what can you do' apologist policy
Yep - you get the mentally ill off the streets (with treatment), because it’s the mentally ill who are defacating in the streets while screaming at invisible demons. I’ve lived here for years and have never been spat on (if I don’t count some of the posts in C-D lol).

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Old 04-25-2019, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Well, most of my neighbors and friends here are in favor of enforcing the nuisance laws and evicting them from the City. If the majority of residents want this, then the SFPD must enforce the laws. If the majority want to leave it a status-quo mess, I am quite disappointed.
You can't evict people from a city, get a grip. And you have no idea what the majority of people want and more than I do. The problem is that most of the laws that the homeless break are infractions or misdemeanors. You can't take people to jail for an infraction, you write them a ticket, and you can only book a person for a misdemeanor under specific conditions https://law.justia.com/codes/califor....5-853.85.html

A misdemeanor has to be committed in the presence of a Police Officer or a citizen willing to swear out a complaint. A pile of poop on the sidewalk cannot be linked to a particular person and no one is going to collect it and do DNA testing on it. A call from a citizen about a guy urinating on the side of a building isn't going to go very far unless he keeps peeing for the 5-15 minutes it takes for a cop to arrive and witness it, at which time the cop will write him a ticket which means nothing to the homeless person receiving it.

Even if it was realistic to book every homeless person who breaks the law, there isn't enough jail capacity for it. The SF County jail is under a court mandate to reduce overcrowding- that means for every homeless person you book the jail releases someone else, probably someone who has committed a far more serious crime.

Your expectations of what the police can do is completely detached from reality.
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Old 04-25-2019, 03:47 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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No I am being 100% real, you do not let homeless defecate on the streets, spit on people's face, aggressively panhandle. Warn them first and then arrest them when they don't comply. This is what every other functional city does. You 'protect' the quality of life for the public at large, not run a 'what can you do' apologist policy
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That's what you're not understanding - you don't enforce laws so homeless can get their act together, you enforce them to maintain quality of life for the ones that are functional. It's fine if you want to help the homeless with their issues but that must be secondary.

Your problem is you care more about the homeless than the tax paying citizens
Blake:
1. “They”, the kind you’re talking about, don’t care a whit about being arrested ... to them it’s called “three hots and a cot”, + free medical attention for their canker sores and other ailments. Then they walk out with a full belly and go right back to what they were doing where they were doing it. Meanwhile, you just picked up a big tab for everything involved in the arrest, booking, court hearing incarceration, supervision, food, cleaning, and medical expenses.

2. You have no idea what I care about ... because you aren’t paying attention while you are pontificating

3. I AM a “tax paying citizen”
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Old 04-25-2019, 03:49 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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Yup. All the formerly homeless that were once harrassed now drive Teslas dontcha know.
See ‘em everyday all around me ... lucky bastards who paid attention to the Blakester!
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Old 04-25-2019, 03:51 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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... A call from a citizen about a guy urinating on the side of a building isn't going to go very far unless he keeps peeing for the 5-15 minutes it takes for a cop to arrive and witness it, ....
That’s a LOT of beer! ... Pretty sure handing out Depends wouldn’t cover the leakage ...
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Old 04-25-2019, 03:53 PM
 
Location: SF/Mill Valley
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You can't evict people from a city, get a grip. And you have no idea what the majority of people want and more than I do. The problem is that most of the laws that the homeless break are infractions or misdemeanors.
You are wasting your time - everyone knows (except Blake) it’s a costly and ineffective revolving door (to those it even applies to). The (visible) homeless problem is related to the lack of affordable housing (land cost and restrictions) as well as lack of treatment for the mentally ill. It’s past the time to modernize the LPS Act. Get the mentally ill treatment (and add housing) - and the ‘landscape’ changes dramatically.
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Old 04-25-2019, 04:09 PM
 
Location: New York City
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You are wasting your time - everyone knows (except Blake) it’s a costly and ineffective revolving door (to those it even applies to). The (visible) homeless problem is related to the lack of affordable housing (land cost and restrictions) as well as lack of treatment for the mentally ill. It’s past the time to modernize the LPS Act. Get the mentally ill treatment (and add housing) - and the ‘landscape’ changes dramatically.
You say "ineffective" because we're talking about two different things.

You are talking about helping the homeless with their situation. I am talking about helping the quality of life of the city, regardless of if you help the homeless or not.

If homeless people insist on living in a city they can't afford they should be forced into designated areas. Mentally ill should be hospitalized & treated.
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Old 04-25-2019, 04:28 PM
 
Location: SF/Mill Valley
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You say "ineffective" because we're talking about two different things.

You are talking about helping the homeless with their situation. I am talking about helping the quality of life of the city, regardless of if you help the homeless or not.
It’s not ‘two different things’. The only way you help quality of life for everyone (as it pertains to the homeless) is address the issue of homelessness (and reduce it); that’s not rocket science.
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Old 04-25-2019, 04:32 PM
 
Location: New York City
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It’s not ‘two different things’. The only way you help quality of life for everyone (as it pertains to the homeless) is address the issue of homelessness (and reduce it); that’s not rocket science.
You should address it, but before you do you need to move them off the sidewalk and stairways.
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