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Old 04-26-2019, 10:15 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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Who said arrest them? I said the mentally ill and the dazed and confused drug addicts need to be institutionalized...you know as in treatment or put away for their safety and everyone else's safety.

BART Stabbing Suspect Is Arrested in ‘Vicious’ Attack That Killed Woman

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Homeless Crime Jumps Nearly 50 Percent in Los Angeles, LAPD Says


Sure just let them be free to wonder around and kill and rob as they please.

That works so well here in CA doesn't it?
And no one has suggested they should be “free to wonder (sic) around and kill and rob as they please”, either.

As for your links, please. Crimes occur everywhere committed by all kinds of people. Selecting violent crime stories about homeless perps doesn’t prove the homeless are any more violently criminal than housed people. I can link endless stories about crimes committed by non-homeless and it wouldn’t prove that non-homeless are all criminally inclined now would it?

And the link about homeless crime jumping in LA by 50% has been parsed out numerous times in the LA homeless thread. Officials are quoted saying they have instituted new reporting protocol in the past year, and there is no assumption that the increase in crime is anything other than an increase of reporting specificities. So the headline is a false narrative, even according to the LAPD officials quoted.
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Old 04-26-2019, 10:45 PM
 
Location: Scottsdale
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Amazing... ostriches, these diehard Cali libs.
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Old 04-26-2019, 10:54 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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Amazing... ostriches, these diehard Cali libs.
Same can be said about “cons”. So why differentiate? Just say: ‘Amazing how blind homo sapiens are to their own follies’. Done. All wrapped up.

It’s all partisan with you, ain’t it? Every gawdang breath you take ... amazing is right ...
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Old 04-27-2019, 12:43 AM
 
Location: Pacific 🌉 °N, 🌄°W
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And no one has suggested they should be “free to wander around and kill and rob as they please”, either.
Show me where I claimed anyone suggested this? There's no need to move the goal posts.

I've been responding to the bleeding heart defense that "you just can't arbitrarily take people's freedom away without a very compelling reason."

Why even make a statement like that if not to defend the behaviors of the "homeless" of which many are mentally ill or life long junkies or alcoholics?

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Old 04-27-2019, 08:33 AM
 
Location: On the water.
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Show me where I claimed anyone suggested this? There's no need to move the goal posts.
Right here:
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... Sure just let them be free to wonder around and kill and rob as they please.

That works so well here in CA doesn't it?
Moving on ...

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I've been responding to the bleeding heart defense that "you just can't arbitrarily take people's freedom away without a very compelling reason."

Why even make a statement like that if not to defend the behaviors of the "homeless" of which many are mentally ill or life long junkies or alcoholics?
It’s not a “bleeding heart defense”. It’s a statement of legal fact. And one that says nothing in defense of homeless behaviors.
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Old 04-27-2019, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Show me where I claimed anyone suggested this? There's no need to move the goal posts.

I've been responding to the bleeding heart defense that "you just can't arbitrarily take people's freedom away without a very compelling reason."

Why even make a statement like that if not to defend the behaviors of the "homeless" of which many are mentally ill or life long junkies or alcoholics?
"bleeding heart response"? You can't take lock people up or force them to move away from an area except for very specific reasons, and I'm sure you know that. You clearly aren't stupid and I can't believe that you would be suggesting that a person who suggests following existing law is a 'bleeding heart'. Even in Houston, the mentally ill just cycle in and out of the jail. If there was a way to lock up the mentally ill for long periods of time I'm sure Texas would have thought of it by now. Here are the guidelines for institutionalization of the mentally ill in Texas:

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In order to approve the application, the magistrate must find that there is reasonable cause to believe that the person you are trying to commit evidences mental illness or evidences a substantial risk of serious harm to himself or others. Intervention by the Court is necessary because the risk of harm will be imminent unless the person is immediately restrained, and the necessary restraint cannot be accomplished without emergency detention. If the application for a warrant is approved, then a warrant is issued and the local sheriff or constable’s office will locate and detain the individual. The sheriff or constable will then transport the individual to a local mental health facility. https://www.texasbar.com/AM/Template...ontentID=30801
Sound familiar? It should because it's almost identical to California law.
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Old 04-27-2019, 09:07 AM
 
Location: SF/Mill Valley
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The crux of the problem (as it relates to the homeless) are those who would not be deemed an ‘immediate danger’ yet who clearly suffer from mental illness and become part of the increasing percentage of chronically homeless. This represents the majority of the mentally ill on the streets. And even where it (rarely) applies, temporary involuntary holds are meaningless in terms of long-term resolution.

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Old 04-27-2019, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Scottsdale
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Same can be said about “cons”. So why differentiate? Just say: ‘Amazing how blind homo sapiens are to their own follies’. Done. All wrapped up.
I actually will concede that possibility, and contemplate whether I am being stubborn and emotional or open to good arguments and logic. That's why sometimes I give you a bone.

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It’s all partisan with you, ain’t it? Every gawdang breath you take ... amazing is right ...
No, you'd be surprised, how I might agree with you on several topics.
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Old 04-27-2019, 11:44 AM
 
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"bleeding heart response"? You can't take lock people up or force them to move away from an area except for very specific reasons, and I'm sure you know that.
Where did I say this?

The "homeless" are breaking the laws. Why are the police doing nothing about it?
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Old 04-27-2019, 11:45 AM
 
Location: On the water.
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I actually will concede that possibility, and contemplate whether I am being stubborn and emotional or open to good arguments and logic. That's why sometimes I give you a bone.



No, you'd be surprised, how I might agree with you on several topics.
My work is done. The rest is up to you. If partisan ideology was at root of the world’s problems for the past 10,000 years since we left the caves to the dawn of the neolithic - um, it would be obvious by now. What’s obvious instead is that homo sapiens are just nuts ... by nature ...in pretty much everything we do.

Have a good one
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