The San Francisco Trash/Needles/Poop in the Streets Containment Thread (for rent, college)

[Matadora]

Originally Posted by Jnvlv247

I think it's big deal because a lot of people have this idea of what SF is supposed to be and supposed to look like. It's like it's expected in LA and NYC. SF is supposed to be a role model of utopia and progressiveness.

Add letting illegal immigrants voting and sanctuary status to all this mess

This is outrageous to allow illegal immigrants the right to vote for SF city school board members. Unreal!!!

Non-citizens legally register to vote in San Francisco school elections

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Jnvlv247

I think it's big deal because a lot of people have this idea of what SF is supposed to be and supposed to look like. It's like it's expected in LA and NYC. SF is supposed to be a role model of utopia and progressiveness.

Says who?

[Matadora]

Originally Posted by Borky Horky

Liberals are a sick sick group

I think a lot of folks think that a "bleeding heart" = a liberal. They are not one in the same.

When I think of a liberal I use the standard definition: open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values.

However a bleeding heart is person who is dangerously softhearted and who lacks the ability for rational discussions. They lack the ability to see the long term effects of their overly emotionally charged views. There is no deep introspection or plan to their ideologies...they just spout out their beliefs like a religious fundamentalist and put zero thought into it or the consequences of adopting their ideologies.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by 04kL4nD

This topic is never going to end, but since people are so keen on rehashing it, I'm going to repeat what I've been saying for years: it's definitely a major problem in SF, but it's hardly an SF-only problem. I was just in SD a few days ago, and it's bad there too. Homeless people all over downtown, Pacific Beach, Hillcrest, etc. I don't recall it ever being so bad when I lived there 10+ years ago, but I also don't remember it being as bad as it is now in Denver, Sacramento, Portland, Seattle, etc.
Clearly, whatever money SF is spending isn't making a significant difference and the approaches being used aren't as effective as they need to be. I'm not even sure more money is the solution tbh. But the reality is that the US has a massive problem with income inequality and this isn't going to go away, until we decide to actually address the core issues at hand. It's easy to punch down at the homeless, as so many do in this thread, but plenty of people are OK with just ignoring the issue, which doesn't help either.

I think what we are seeing right now is the beginning of a nationwide housing crisis. One bedroom crappy apartments in Sac County have gone up from $700 a month 4 or 5 years ago to $1200 +, I doubt if very many people renting those apartments had a similar salary increase. 1/3 of the kids in the East Palo Alto School District are homeless. In Los Angeles County 71,727 students have been reported as being homeless.

I just wonder if people will figure out ways to demonize homeless children as they have homeless adults?

[alliance]

Originally Posted by Matadora

However a bleeding heart is person who is dangerously softhearted and who lacks the ability for rational discussions. They lack the ability to see the long term effects of their overly emotionally charged views. There is no deep introspection or plan to their ideologies...they just spout out their beliefs like a religious fundamentalist and put zero thought into it or the consequences of adopting their ideologies.

I think the problem is that this type is who is taking over the Democratic Party. Which is basically guaranteeing another 4 years of trump. "Democratic" Socialists anyone? What a joke the left has become...there is dramatic stratification that needs to be brought back to reality. They're becoming an extremist group, which is very dangerous.

Seriously, I have trouble with the definitions too. What's progressive vs left vs liberal vs democrat? They all seem to stand for different things...

[ssmaster]

Originally Posted by 04kL4nD

This topic is never going to end, but since people are so keen on rehashing it, I'm going to repeat what I've been saying for years: it's definitely a major problem in SF, but it's hardly an SF-only problem.

I was just in SD a few days ago, and it's bad there too. Homeless people all over downtown, Pacific Beach, Hillcrest, etc. I don't recall it ever being so bad when I lived there 10+ years ago, but I also don't remember it being as bad as it is now in Denver, Sacramento, Portland, Seattle, etc.

Clearly, whatever money SF is spending isn't making a significant difference and the approaches being used aren't as effective as they need to be. I'm not even sure more money is the solution tbh. But the reality is that the US has a massive problem with income inequality and this isn't going to go away, until we decide to actually address the core issues at hand. It's easy to punch down at the homeless, as so many do in this thread, but plenty of people are OK with just ignoring the issue, which doesn't help either.

it is naive to think money will solve these problems

there are some people living in poverty who need help to get back on track. the people who have the calling to serve them are awesome
I left a lucrative career to work with the down on their luck members of society and to give back.
the drug use , mental disorders(bipolar schizophrenia), dysfunctional families and criminal behavior made me leave.

Of course drug use , mental disorders(bipolar schizophrenia), dysfunctional families and criminal behavior play a large role in homelessness and poverty. people with these problems find it difficult to be employed or stay employed.

the joke is get a job helping people in poverty and become a republican.

i am still liberal just a joke

[Matadora]

Originally Posted by alliance

I think the problem is that this type is who is taking over the Democratic Party. Which is basically guaranteeing another 4 years of trump. "Democratic" Socialists anyone? What a joke the left has become. They're becoming an extremist group, which is very dangerous.

Seriously, I have trouble with the definitions too. What's progressive vs left vs liberal vs democrat? They all seem to stand for different things...

I think it depends on what state and city the Dem represents.

I know from living in Houston that the Dem's in Houston are of completely different ideologies.

For example take a good look at the out of control homeless issue that's allowed them to set up living quarters on public land and sidewalks. Look at their brazen behaviors of deification in the streets and on the sidewalks, shooting up on broad daylight, tossing their used needles and syringes all over the place as well as stumbling around dazed and confused and screaming at invisible things. This problem is not new and has been going on for a long time. Why? Because the previous Mayors and the citizens of SF have enabled it.

In Houston there was just a huge showdown with the current Mayor working to get the HPD the right to enforce the no camping ordinances. He's a Dem. Do you see the Dem Mayors in SF or LA challenging judges to allow the police to enforce no camping laws? Do you see the Mayors in SF and LA challenging the Police Chiefs to make the police enforce these laws? The people in the city of Houston would not tolerate these vile homeless behaviors and would expect the police to enforce ordinances against these behaviors.

Dems in the Bay Area are not the same as Dems in Houston.

[ssmaster]

Originally Posted by alliance

I think the problem is that this type is who is taking over the Democratic Party. Which is basically guaranteeing another 4 years of trump. "Democratic" Socialists anyone? What a joke the left has become...there is dramatic stratification that needs to be brought back to reality. They're becoming an extremist group, which is very dangerous.

Seriously, I have trouble with the definitions too. What's progressive vs left vs liberal vs democrat? They all seem to stand for different things...

where I stand same could be said for republicans
what does conservative mean ?
fiscal conservative
neo nazi
tarrifs
supply side economics
anti abortion
alt right
free trade
gw bush nation building
trump isolationism
prayer in school oops CHRISTIAN PRAYER ONLY IN SCHOOLS
ALL muslims are terrorist
no gun control ever(even mentally disturbed)
white supremacist
all immigrants are rapist and murders.sorry all Hispanic or dark skinned immigrants

[HappyinCali]

So much dumb. The homeless issue can’t be resolved at a local level. It is a national issue.

It makes no sense to build homeless shelters in the most expensive cities in America.

And last I checked, people can travel among states freely. They come to CA, because their local police beats them. Unless, CA pushes them into the ocean, they have nowhere else to go.

Right now states across America just bus people from one location to another (including SF) and hope to make someone else’s problem.

Every time there is a shooting, COnservatives are all “BUT MENTAL HEALTH OMG, WE NEED MORE FUNDING”. Well, you have had all branches of the government for 2 years. Show me one bill that spends on mental health.

There is none. As the most powerful country in the world, we need to understand that hundreds of thousands of people are homeless because of addiction, mental disease etc.

Their care is outsourced completely to local agencies. Not even state. It makes no sense to have SF buid housing for homeless in one of the most expensive and dencely populated areas. Explain to me why that should be the case.

And explain to me what GOP has done for mental health in past 2 years. Or in past 6 years because you have controlled the senate/house since then and Obama would have signed a comprehensive mental health bill.

The bleeding heart thing is so dumb. What exactly should we do?? Put them in our already crowded prisons? Beat them and ship them to Texas? What is Texas’ awesome mental health policy?

Oh wait, they don’t have one. It is just that the Fort Worth police puts them in a cruiser and drops them off in a Dallas ghetto so that your middle class sensibilities are not offended and you can sneer at SF that doesn’t do that

GTFO

[Shooting Stars]

Originally Posted by HappyinCali

So much dumb. The homeless issue can’t be resolved at a local level. It is a national issue.

It makes no sense to build homeless shelters in the most expensive cities in America.

And last I checked, people can travel among states freely. They come to CA, because their local police beats them. Unless, CA pushes them into the ocean, they have nowhere else to go.

Right now states across America just bus people from one location to another (including SF) and hope to make someone else’s problem.

The studies say the vast majority of homeless in San Francisco are FROM San Francisco, and just couldn't afford rent anymore.