I am so tired of living in an insane asylum; in a social experiment (Seattle: houses, tax)

[Arktikos]

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

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How does Canada handle this? And Germany, France, Scandinavia?

For one thing, they probably throw more money at this per capita than we do.

Nevertheless it also appears to be getting worse there, at least in the largest Canadian town closest to my location. Here's a story from Whitehorse, Yukon.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north...ness-1.6741333

"I mean, this is the third entity that took over," says Otteli. "And it got actually worse with every one ... I spent literally days and weeks in meetings since this all happened, with every entity of the government, with the RCMP, you name it. And it's always the same talk. Talk doesn't do it anymore. We need action. We need security here 24/7. Two guys at least."

[Eager-Scientist]

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Bjorn, I don't know if you're still active, but I can safely say that you'll get no argument from me. I only wish I could get the money I need to move out of here.

Yes, I've read about the drug residues on transit. That's why I don't dare risk it, either.

I hate this dump. Too cramped, wet, and left-wing. Narrow, coastal plain = Perfect metaphor for claustrophobia.

I don't care for Seattle's activists and their efforts, and I don't care for "equity".

(For what it's worth, I lean conservative.)

[pathrunner]

You dont care for equity? OK then. Perhaps Nazi Germany or some other dictatorial country is more attractive to you? The United States of America was founded on the principle of equity, amongst other things.

For the record, what's happened to Seattle is horrible. Everyone thinks so, though some people refuse to believe that.

There are plenty of places in the United States that would be quite palatable to you. Just throw your stuff in the car and go. Many people have had to, and still do. You'd survive and even thrive. Again, many people do.

[southking500]

Originally Posted by pathrunner;65902212[B

]You dont care for equity? OK then. Perhaps Nazi Germany or some other dictatorial country is more attractive to you? The United States of America was founded on the principle of equity, amongst other things.[/b]

For the record, what's happened to Seattle is horrible. Everyone thinks so, though some people refuse to believe that.

There are plenty of places in the United States that would be quite palatable to you. Just throw your stuff in the car and go. Many people have had to, and still do. You'd survive and even thrive. Again, many people do.

Nice summary of the thinking that is at the root of Seattle's problems ...

Anyone who dares to dispute the "founding priniciple" of "equity" is a Nazi.
Pack up and leave Seattle ASAP, only equity supporters are welcome here comrade.

The US was not founded on the principle of "equity".
Maybe you were thinking of the USSR or Cuba. Try brushing up on the difference between equity and equality.

[jabogitlu]

The US wasn't founded on the notion of equality. The founding documents were so silent on this matter that we had to have later intercessions to support progress towards equality for Black people and women people.

Seattle, however, is very much organized politically, socially, and culturally around the idea of equity. Unfortunately, many of our current leaders don't understand how to actually achieve progress towards equity, and many of their actions actually end up impeding that progress.

[pathrunner]

Ummm, I do not think Seattle is handling things properly or well. Therefore, my thinking is not in any way like "the root of Seattle's thinking."

So you're quibbling with the meanings of equity and equal? I was using the other poster's term.

For your perusal, should you deign to look at it:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the

(and so on - I did not provide the entire quote - it is easily searchable online)

So.... you don't like equal?! Well then. I guess you don't like America then, because equal (equality) is written into the very Declaration of Independence.

I guess Russia and Cuba are actually the places for you, not me because I believe in all of the original documents the founders wrote and signed.

And last i checked the guy wants to leave Seattle. Did you not see that? Look again.

[Transmition]

I'm pretty sure that certain political groups have redefined a word again because they don't like the people who are using it.

[pathrunner]

Yeah, apparently there are many people in this country - too many - who don't believe in equality. Equality does not mean Socialism or Marxism. Get a clue. Stop being brainwashed as to what words mean. The words don't mean what a talking head says they mean. There's something called a dictionary.

[southking500]

Originally Posted by pathrunner

Ummm, I do not think Seattle is handling things properly or well. Therefore, my thinking is not in any way like "the root of Seattle's thinking."

So you're quibbling with the meanings of equity and equal? I was using the other poster's term.

For your perusal, should you deign to look at it:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the

(and so on - I did not provide the entire quote - it is easily searchable online)

So.... you don't like equal?! Well then. I guess you don't like America then, because equal (equality) is written into the very Declaration of Independence.

I guess Russia and Cuba are actually the places for you, not me because I believe in all of the original documents the founders wrote and signed.

And last i checked the guy wants to leave Seattle. Did you not see that? Look again.

More than just a quibble.

The words "equity" and "equality" may look similar, but have very different meanings.

Nice pivot away from your previous post which implied not supporting "equity" = Nazi.

[Sand&Salt]

Originally Posted by rodentraiser

Lobotomies for all?

Reading through these replies makes me think there's a couple other issues besides mentally unstable people. One is using/selling illegal drugs with no consequences. Another is lack of consequences for violent acts. Another is lack of stringent gun laws and finally, maybe Seattle made way too many cuts in their police department. Maybe we should have gone the other way and we should have a police state instead, in which case we'd need to be prepared to look the other way if the police get a little too zealous doing their jobs.

We currently put people in jail for three reasons: rehabilitation, punishment, or revenge. We use all three methods on all kinds of criminals. Maybe it's time to sort out the criminals and go from there. First offense gets rehabilitation. Two offenses get punishment. Third offense simply means everyone has given up and the perpetrator just gets society's revenge which should end up being the solution that costs the taxpayers the least, like a quick death penalty, especially for crimes of child abuse, rape, and murder in cold blood, which would include killing someone while driving drunk or texting. Maybe we need to do sweeps and collect all the gang members and put them in one place like El Salvador.

I know those things sound extreme and I'm not an extreme person. But short of letting things go to anarchy, I don't know another answer. I know we're supposed to be a compassionate nation, but right now, our compassion is doing us in. Maybe it's time to quit turning the other cheek and being a wee bit more forceful in fighting back against crime.

This is a great post. I wish YOU were in charge. I think the reason there is no "will" to change, is the usual. Follow the money. There is a huge industrial complex of various homeless "help" and lots of money being made off their backs. Of course, nothing really gets done, no improvements.

Interestingly, we retired to a "developing" country where most are poor, but there is zero homelessness.

I did read about the Danish citizens are up in arms at being "taken over" by foreigners, some of whom are dangerous. They've had it. For example, the school cafeterias were prevented serving pork, just to mollify the Moslems. Come on!