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Old 05-24-2020, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Where the mountains touch the sky
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Excellent post TRex

I've never been a churchgoer, but I am spiritual and to that end I've always been of the belief that part of being a Christian means administering to those that can't do for themselves.

Main reason I served in the Navy and on a volunteer fire department. I also worked with a homeless veteran stand down to help veterans get back on their feet and reintegrate into society.
My father and I would cut wood on our place and give it to seniors so they could have heat in the winter.

My wife worked with developmentally disabled for many years. I retired early from my job and moved to a very rural area. Resources here are very limited, and many seniors live a long way from town. Several people here make a point to check in on them, drive them to Dr appointments, and make sure they have food and are eating.

By prepping, I have the resources to be able to supply some of them with food and firewood.
Because I learned to do things like electrical wiring, plumbing, and carpentry I can do home repairs for them so they are safe and comfortable.

I make sure my family is provided for whether I'm here or not, and have enough left over to help others that can't provide for themselves.

I feel this is doing the work our Creator meant for us to do. As such, prepping glorifies our Creator and is part of living the life prescribed by the Holy Word.
That means prepping for disaster is part of the larger plan He has for us to support and defend our brothers and sisters.

Prepping for disaster means we can provide when those who cannot do for themselves need us most. I don't plan to support able bodied deadbeats perfectly capable, except too lazy, to provide for themselves. If they come around begging after a disaster, they won't find much sympathy, but the lame and crippled, widows, orphans will always find shelter and a meal with me.

I am firm in my conviction of heaven, and just as certain that sitting on your thumbs hoping to die in an emergency is just what those with no faith would do depending on the false god of government to provide.

When God needs me he'll let me know. Until then, I'll do my best to do his work here on earth as well as I'm able.
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Old 05-24-2020, 11:37 AM
 
Location: NJ
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I have a question since a lot of preppers and survivalists happen to be Christian. What is the point for Christians prepping on Earth when they believe they are going to go to Heaven anyway?
because they dont genuinely believe in heaven. they hope that there is a heaven so that there is something after death but very few of them feel so sure that its really go to be there for them.

that is the only true answer, everything else is just mumbo jumbo.
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Old 05-24-2020, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Kuna, ID
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You should read a book called Heaven Is For Real. Don't worry, it's a quick read. It's one example of glimpses we get from this life into the next. Between this book and the many first-hand stories about near-death experiences, I know that there's something more after we die. To you, your future may look like worms and dirt, but mine, and yours, if you accept His gift, looks glorious.

It takes as much faith to believe that the universe and our lives came about by accident as it does to believe that God created it all. Your faith tells you we just came to be, perhaps out of a a slimy pond. My faith tells me our loving Creator planned us for this very time and place. Same amount of faith either way.

Out of gratitude for His love and blessings, and using Jesus as a model, Christians want to honor Him in and through our lives. This could be something simple, like tolerating fools, or it could be something more elaborate like giving to charities and preparing for crises. I know that my generosity and preparedness will help others during times of trouble, whether they are too foolish to have prepared themselves, or believe the government or their family is there to help them.

Even though Captain NJ thinks he provided the "only true answer," I wanted to tell you what my motivation was for prepping and also to share the meaning of life: To honor and glorify God. What's your meaning of life?
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Old 05-24-2020, 03:18 PM
 
Location: SE corner of the Ozark Redoubt
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It takes as much faith to believe that the universe and our lives came about by accident as it does to believe that God created it all. Your faith tells you we just came to be, perhaps out of a a slimy pond. My faith tells me our loving Creator planned us for this very time and place. Same amount of faith either way.
What I know of Thermodynamics, large number mathematics, and DNA tells me that God is real. Both Thermodynamics and the mathematics of DNA show that "evolution," as most people know it, is impossible.
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Old 05-24-2020, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Kuna, ID
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What I know of Thermodynamics, large number mathematics, and DNA tells me that God is real.
I too, see the work of God (an intelligent design) in the world around us. Please indulge me as I relate my favorite example. Being an engineer, this example is related to engineering and physics.

The world wide web and even our telephone calls are transmitted within fiber optics. Many have heard of them and I'll try to explain more. Fiber optics have huge capacity, Tb/s transmission rates have been demonstrated recently. This means that thousands, or perhaps even millions of phone calls and web sessions are being combined into a single fiber. This signal can go for about 40 km (about 24 miles) before it must be amplified. This may not seem far, but is vastly superior to any metal wire. Back in the day, the only way to amplify these signals was to separate them all out into their individual signals and convert them from optical to electrical, then amplify them using amps for each one. Then they are converted back into optical signals and recombined, loaded into a fiber and they can go another 40 kilometers. Clearly, this is impractical once you consider the number of signals and the required distances in our current world. So how does it really work?

Well, someone, let's call him Ralph, discovered that a fiber cable could operate as an amplifier if it was doped with a rare-earth element caller Erbium and was pumped by another laser to add energy. Now the fiber signals can be amplified in place every 40 km, just by going through one of these Erbium-doped fiber amplifiers (EDFA). Voila! Our world-wide network for phone calls and internet sessions is now possible!

I credit God because He created the erbium and also inspired Ralph with the idea. This is a single example of the perfectly created world in which we live.

/nerd off
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Old 05-24-2020, 09:37 PM
 
Location: Mid-Atlantic
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i would say its pretty rare nowadays for me to encounter someone who talks about their religious beliefs. but im sure that varies greatly in different parts of the world and different groups of people. my wife's puerto rican family is most likely to say stuff in my life but i dont see them much except her mother. she is too busy badmouthing various leftists and praising trump to bother with religion.
My sister. She has pretty much much stopped doing it after 30 years, but it still happens.
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Old 05-25-2020, 03:40 AM
 
Location: SE corner of the Ozark Redoubt
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I too, see the work of God (an intelligent design) in the world around us. Please indulge me as I relate my favorite example. Being an engineer, this example is related to engineering and physics.

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Voila! Our world-wide network for phone calls and internet sessions is now possible!

I credit God because He created the erbium and also inspired Ralph with the idea. This is a single example of the perfectly created world in which we live.

/nerd off
What is really interesting are those who have enough faith to believe that our worldwide communications networks could have just happened by chance without any intelligence planning, designing, and building them. They could have just happened, all by themselves. We see this belief in Darwinists, Socialists, and all sorts of other Leftists.

I guess us Christians don't have enough faith to believe that it could have happened, all by itself, but the atheists not only have enough faith to believe that, but they are so convince of the righteousness of their belief that they go to any place that (like this thread) has discussion of Christianity (I count 4 or 5 of them, here), and try to evangelize the rest of us to their atheistic thinking.
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Old 05-25-2020, 10:40 AM
 
Location: NJ
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What is really interesting are those who have enough faith to believe that our worldwide communications networks could have just happened by chance without any intelligence planning, designing, and building them. They could have just happened, all by themselves. We see this belief in Darwinists, Socialists, and all sorts of other Leftists.

I guess us Christians don't have enough faith to believe that it could have happened, all by itself, but the atheists not only have enough faith to believe that, but they are so convince of the righteousness of their belief that they go to any place that (like this thread) has discussion of Christianity (I count 4 or 5 of them, here), and try to evangelize the rest of us to their atheistic thinking.
this basically is an "i cant explain how things came to be so i believe in a magical power" logic. kind of like how at one point people believed that the sun was moved into and out of place by some guy riding a chariot with the sun in it. its an interesting thing where instead of accepting the fact that we cant explain some things you have to just fill in anything you cant explain with "must have been a magic sky god."

i accept that we dont know all the answers and i dont try to fill in the blanks with magic. it is especially interesting where people dont just stop with magic but they conjure up all kind of magical stories and characters and somehow believe theirs are more accurate than others. a christian looking at ancient greek mythology with the attitude of "that is so ridiculous to believe that zeus was the god of thunder" fails to see that his belief system is similarly ridiculous.

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Old 05-27-2020, 04:34 AM
 
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^^ As an aside, if you don't know all the answers, how can you be so sure that my answer is wrong? (please note that you have no idea what my answer might be)
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Old 05-27-2020, 11:20 AM
 
Location: NJ
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^^ As an aside, if you don't know all the answers, how can you be so sure that my answer is wrong? (please note that you have no idea what my answer might be)
well, certain answers have no basis in reality (like a chariot pulling the sun). the beliefs of modern religions just have zero chance of being correct since they are completely manufactured out of thing air with zero support other than "magic" and "faith." however, someone could have logical guesses that do have a chance of being correct and that could even include the existence of some life form different than our own as a "creator" type of character.
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