Does UT have the same reputation as Harvard in Texas? (Georgetown: high school, community college)

[Yellow pool of piddle]

Originally Posted by primusinterpares

ALL rank lists are a joke. Their usefulness is as argument fodder for high school students, and the occasional confused few overvaluing their worth.

Whether vying for a graduate position or - you know - an actual job, the strength of the school name is far outweighted by individual qualifications and merits.

If a pair of twins walked into my office with otherwise identical resumes asking for the same job, offering the same identical responses to my questions, with one being a Texas Tech grad and the other an A&M grad, i'd give it to the one with the firmer handshake.

Reputation works at a broad level. The UT and WUSTL and Cal Davis of the world carry more prestige -- if only because of wide peer recognition -- than the East Oklahoma Polytechnic of the world.

Any finer stratification than that is an exercise in futility, like watching 2 overweight men trip over themselves arguing whether Jim Brown could beat up Walter Payton. But carry on.

I think of intelligence as a ruse. For example, AT&T held lots of patents under its Lucent company. That technology, in turn, made it appear that monopoly businesses were the way to go. It wasn't until after breaking Ma Bell into smaller parts that this ruse was exposed. The resulting technology exloded across the board in cell phone, computer, and internet business.

Harvard too is a ruse. It is an Old World school predating the birth of our new nation. It is a place where rich kids receive training in order to preserve an established dynasty.

[radiolibre99]

Originally Posted by Yellow pool of piddle

I think of intelligence as a ruse. For example, AT&T held lots of patents under its Lucent company. That technology, in turn, made it appear that monopoly businesses were the way to go. It wasn't until after breaking Ma Bell into smaller parts that this ruse was exposed. The resulting technology exloded across the board in cell phone, computer, and internet business.

Harvard too is a ruse. It is an Old World school predating the birth of our new nation. It is a place where rich kids receive training in order to preserve an established dynasty.

I can kind of agree with this. Some students at these schools are geniuses but most are just really smart people but not a worlds apart different from the kids at a top flagship state school. Most of these schools have become so academically trendy now, I rarely think of them as highly innovative as much as before.

[Yellow pool of piddle]

Originally Posted by radiolibre99

I can kind of agree with this. Some students at these schools are geniuses but most are just really smart people but not a worlds apart different from the kids at a top flagship state school. Most of these schools have become so academically trendy now, I rarely think of them as highly innovative as much as before.

Funny that you mention this. Who was the fellow Albert Einstein marvelled at saying he was the most incredible person he ever met? He was the same student reject by Harvard twice! R.Buckminster Fuller!! Bucky wrote thirty books, was already debating facts with teachers when he was a student in grade school, and later flew an estimated hundred times around the world to lecture at 400 universities.

What do Harvard and similar schools know? Not near as much as they have an agenda that is against you, me, and the majority of people in the United States. There is a difference between the creativity we all are born with, and the intelligence just a few are born with. The latter benefits a few at the detriment of many.

[Ivory Lee Spurlock]

I never seen so many snobbish responses in one thread as I have this one. A person can just as good an education at UT and Texas A&M and Rice as they can get at Harvard and Yale and Princeton and Michigan and Stanford and UCLA. A diploma from UT is just as prestigious as a diploma from any of them other schools.

[marcopolo2000]

Originally Posted by Ivory Lee Spurlock

. A diploma from UT is just as prestigious as a diploma from any of them other schools.

Did you graduate from UT?

[radiolibre99]

It's not so much that it is or it isn't as prestigious, but that a lot of UT grads end up in similar positions as grads from Yale, Harvard, Michigan, etc. especially in the home state. I've worked in an office before with both UT and Harvard grads and they were all in the same boat.

[RMESMH]

Originally Posted by Space City Native

Exactly right. Ivy League schools are vastly overrated. Look at GHW and Dubya Bush, both Yale graduates-they can't even form a sentence in English or express a coherent thought-Dubya's GPA at Yale was so low that he would have been expelled from UH, which is where I graduated from, and he certainly wouldn't have passed the exit writing exam that we were required take in order to graduate.

Look at Jeb Bush, a graduate of UT Austin-he's much more articulate and intelligent than either his brother or father, and not only is he fluent in Spanish (BA in Latin American Studies) but he can also speak English!

One note....while Dubya had a lackluster GPA, his father graduated Phi Beta Kappa, and in 2 1/2 years rather than 4 years.

[RMESMH]

Originally Posted by thenewtexan

Pssst....Cal Berkeley is a flagship state school.

Did you migrate to Texas from California? If so, are you a native Californian? I wonder, because no native I know or have ever known would post the above.

I'm a fifth generation native Californian. With only two exceptions who comes to mind, all of the 'Pre-Milennials' in my family on both sides grew up in California, and most of the Millennials did as well. All of us attended either highly competitive public high schools or private prep schools. With all of us, our friends in high school were on a similar trajectory. The range of our high school graduation dates....from 1948 to 2011. Locations....from La Jolla northward to Marin County. All have at least a BS or BA, and most have graduate degrees. Some graduated from private colleges and universities (Stanford, Claremont, USF, Georgetown, Notre Dame, St. Mary's, University of Chicago, etc.). Many of us graduated from 'UC schools', and the rest graduated from 'state schools'.

My point is that, through all of those many years...for all of us, and all of our friends....a reference to 'state schools' or 'the state schools' ALWAYS has meant The California State University system (San Francisco State University, Sonoma State University, Chico State University, San Jose State University, San Diego State University, California Polytechnic State University at Pomona, California Polytechnic State University at San Luis Obispo, etc), NOT the 'UC schools' (Berkeley, UC Davis, UCLA, UCSD, UCI, UCR, UC Merced, UCSF, UC Santa Cruz, and UCSB).

So, no...Cal Berkeley ('Cal'), where the first UC student in my family graduated well over 100 years ago, is not normally known, and definitely not by natives with deep roots, as 'a flagship state school'. Cal Berkeley is the oldest UC. Cal Berkeley is THE flagship UC......not the same thing as 'a flagship state school.

Re the actual name of each system, the CSU system...the California State University system...obviously has the word state as part of the name. The UC system does not.

This represents the 'collective 2 cents' of everyone I've ever come in contact with.

YMMV .

I remember one thread or part of a thread where people went on for pages over the use of "Cali".....this not the same thing....minor....not worth that level of energy.

[radiolibre99]

Originally Posted by RMESMH

Did you migrate to Texas from California? If so, are you a native Californian? I wonder, because no native I know or have ever known would post the above.

I'm a fifth generation native Californian. With only two exceptions who comes to mind, all of the 'Pre-Milennials' in my family on both sides grew up in California, and most of the Millennials did as well. All of us attended either highly competitive public high schools or private prep schools. With all of us, our friends in high school were on a similar trajectory. The range of our high school graduation dates....from 1948 to 2011. Locations....from La Jolla northward to Marin County. All have at least a BS or BA, and most have graduate degrees. Some graduated from private colleges and universities (Stanford, Claremont, USF, Georgetown, Notre Dame, St. Mary's, University of Chicago, etc.). Many of us graduated from 'UC schools', and the rest graduated from 'state schools'.

My point is that, through all of those many years...for all of us, and all of our friends....a reference to 'state schools' or 'the state schools' ALWAYS has meant The California State University system (San Francisco State University, Sonoma State University, Chico State University, San Jose State University, San Diego State University, California Polytechnic State University at Pomona, California Polytechnic State University at San Luis Obispo, etc), NOT the 'UC schools' (Berkeley, UC Davis, UCLA, UCSD, UCI, UCR, UC Merced, UCSF, UC Santa Cruz, and UCSB).

So, no...Cal Berkeley ('Cal'), where the first UC student in my family graduated well over 100 years ago, is not normally known, and definitely not by natives with deep roots, as 'a flagship state school'. Cal Berkeley is the oldest UC. Cal Berkeley is THE flagship UC......not the same thing as 'a flagship state school.

Re the actual name of each system, the CSU system...the California State University system...obviously has the word state as part of the name. The UC system does not.

This represents the 'collective 2 cents' of everyone I've ever come in contact with.

YMMV .

I remember one thread or part of a thread where people went on for pages over the use of "Cali".....this not the same thing....minor....not worth that level of energy.

Flagship state school usually means The X University, not X State U. UT Austin is our flagship not Texas State. Therefore, Cal Berkeley is usually seen as Cali's flagship.

[WestGuest]

Harvard is not the best school in the world - On several measures Cal -Berkeley beats it. Part of the methodology is how many people apply vs how many accepted. Harvard advertises because it gets revenue from application fees knowing most of those suckers wont be admitted. Cal on the other, does not encourage people to apply. That's only one measure.

UT is a great public school and attracts different people than Harvard. UT has lots of money to improve. I would say its on a par with some of the good schools in the Pac 12 or Big Ten ( Indiana has a much prettier campus) and better than any SEC School.