Mass Shootings in Texas (Uvalde, Cuero: loan, farm, property)

[Cuero]

Originally Posted by redguard57

The issue with the AR platform as it relates to mass shootings is not the specific performance stats. It's the cult that surrounds the weapon now.

It's because of that cult I would not ban it. Banning it would only enhance its mystique and popularity.

Mass shootings are a psychological phenomenon. I see the problem as more one of mental health, which is to say health care. Not the guns. The AR has been around since what, 1959? It did not have cult like status until recently.

In the U.S. we are terrible at health care access, and are especially terrible at mental health. I came to realize this when I needed therapy myself. It was HARD to get, and I have insurance and money. I came to understand how anger, despair, and hopelessness could become overwhelming, and there was little help for me even with the money to buy it.

There's a little more help for women, although not that much more. But mass shootings are done by young men.

Given how cruel our society is, going through that I actually came to understand perhaps an inkling of what drives mass shooters, a bit. It's like an extreme outlier version of suicide, and we very much have a suicide problem.

I rarely agree with you but you're spot on here. Texas is near the bottom when it comes to access to mental health treatment and certainly the worst of the populous states when it comes to mental health access and support.

[StealthRabbit]

Originally Posted by Cuero

I rarely agree with you but you're spot on here. Texas is near the bottom when it comes to access to mental health treatment and certainly the worst of the populous states when it comes to mental health access and support.

add Texas 'attitude' to the health access deficit, and you add fuel to the fire.

Denial of 'red flag' options, even for those who have intimate knowledge of potential perpetrator (domestic abuse, spouse, parents and grandparents of those with demonstrated violent and risky behaviors and threats). There is a (dear) price paid for 'freedom'.

https://thehill.com/news/sunday-talk...hool-shooting/

[redguard57]

The package the Senate came up with is pretty good. The best political response I've seen in many years.

In particular - the enhanced background checks and pause for 18-20 year old buyers is good. I've been saying for a while we can make a difference if we just slow down the purchase process. Mass shooting is like suicide... it's a psychological problem that builds into a crisis that can result in an irreversible impulse decision. If you can get the subject through their mental health crisis it gives them a chance to calm down and they will never pull the trigger so to speak. Making the purchase process slower will help with that.

Also the money for mental health support at schools and community health centers is badly needed.

Let's see if they can pass it. They failed in 2013 after Newtown.

[malcorub16]

Almost had another close one today in Texas DFW area, this time at a children's summer day camp. Early reports were pretty vague and I was wondering if he was just some guy wandering around with open carry that the police and citizens overreacted to but according to this article he most definitely had bad intentions but wasn't able to enter the gym not a class room. I wonder what his age was.

Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...296_story.html


DUNCANVILLE, Texas — Police shot and killed a man who fired gunshots at a Dallas-area gymnasium where about 150 children were attending a day camp, authorities said.

No children, staff or officers were hurt in the shooting that happened at about 8:45 a.m. at the Duncanville Fieldhouse, police said.

The man entered the field house lobby with a handgun and fired a shot during a discussion with a staff member, Duncanville Assistant Police Chief Matthew Stogner said.

The gunman then tried to enter a classroom containing children, but the door was locked, Stogner said. He fired one shot into the door, Stogner said. The man then went to the gym, which also contained children, at which point Stogner said police arrived and shot the man in an exchange of gunfire.

Police have not yet identified the person or revealed a motive.

Stogner said police arrived within two minutes of being contacted.

All children attending the camp were moved to a nearby recreation center for reunification with their parents.

[Ole Texan]

Solution:
1. Back ground check everyone 18 or older in the US. To include any past criminal and or mental health issues. Review every 5 years.
2. Everyone 18 or older that passes checks provided a concealed weapon by the us government.
3. Everyone 18 or older that passes checks receives extensive weapon training.
4. Everyone required to carry weapon at all times outside the home.
5. This weapon will be registered to the individual.

This is some what like the system in Israel.

Individuals that pass checks and training can own shotguns, long guns and pistols that can fire no more than 6 rounds before reloading. These guns do not have to be registered.

[BobTex]

Originally Posted by Ole Texan

Solution:
1. Back ground check everyone 18 or older in the US. To include any past criminal and or mental health issues. Review every 5 years.
2. Everyone 18 or older that passes checks provided a concealed weapon by the us government.
3. Everyone 18 or older that passes checks receives extensive weapon training.
4. Everyone required to carry weapon at all times outside the home.
5. This weapon will be registered to the individual.

This is some what like the system in Israel.

Individuals that pass checks and training can own shotguns, long guns and pistols that can fire no more than 6 rounds before reloading. These guns do not have to be registered.

6 shots? Why the low capacity? Can own, I'm allowed? What a weak position.

Are we changing the constitution too? (might I remind you that many of the weapons carried by the rebellious Americans during the Revolutionary War were of much higher quality and performance carried by the British Government). Do you understand the phrase "rights won't be infringed"? It was a factor in our winning our independence and setting up the once fine system of government this country enjoyed for about 200 years.

Required to carry a weapon outside the home? Yep, to hell with personal freedoms! I can see me now with my firearm strapped to my side while I sweat like a pig while working in the summer heat on the farm here. Preposterous authoritarianism!

And in Israel they carry fully automatic weapons with high capacity magazines. Rifles/carbines!

Let's be clear here: The Second Amendment is in there, very high up on the Bill of Rights (#2), for a reason and it does not give the government the right to "allow" the population to own/possess firearms BUT prevents the government from taking or imposing restrictions on ownership of said firearms ! This is a very important distinction!

Now for sure I like the basic principle you put forth of testing for competency in use of firearms (can you load/reload, shoot reasonably well, and maintain your weapon safely). I also think for some firearms like high capacity rifles (>10 rounds capacity) a 21 year old age restriction can be enforced as it is for pistol ownership. And I like the idea of the government encouraging an armed society. You have some decent ideas but many of your stipulations are out of bounds.

[Dopo]

Does anybody know where Abbott is hiding?
He went to Uvalde as fast as he could to try to play
“The hero that stands with the police”

Now that we are finding out that the police did a horrible job
Now nobody knows where Abbott is hiding

[escanlan]

Originally Posted by Dopo

Does anybody know where Abbott is hiding?
He went to Uvalde as fast as he could to try to play
“The hero that stands with the police”

Now that we are finding out that the police did a horrible job
Now nobody knows where Abbott is hiding

Did you call him to find out where he is?

[WRM20]

Originally Posted by Dopo

Does anybody know where Abbott is hiding?
He went to Uvalde as fast as he could to try to play
“The hero that stands with the police”

Now that we are finding out that the police did a horrible job
Now nobody knows where Abbott is hiding

His location and schedule are a secret. al Qaeda might be after him.

[Cuero]

Sounds like the police could have prevented the mass shooting, if they had done their job.